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Old December 19th, 2017, 04:07 AM   #1
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Jewish origin of Some Pashtun Tribes.


Hi folks,

There are some Pashtun trubes as well with Jewish Origin.

i hope thisdocumentary created by Jewish Israeli wil allow you too look at Afghanistan with different light.


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Old December 19th, 2017, 05:44 AM   #2

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Do you mean to say Jewish religious origins of these Pashtun Tribes? Or perhaps the documentary implies this?

Fwiw not everyone agrees that so called race is a legit topic.
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If you are into learning about different cultures and maybe how we can all work together by realizing similarities... the OP video is for you. I watched the whole video, and it kept me interested the entire time.
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• Peshawar comes from the Sanskrit Puruṣapura and has no connection with any Hebrew words. As for connecting the other Pashtun place names to Hebrew place names, it doesn't make much sense. Considering that there are linguistically zero Hebrew loanwords in Pashto, the chances of those names being of Hebrew origin are zero.

• Pashtuns do read the Qur'an in a rhythmic motion, but that is because of the melody of the Qur'an, not because it's some cultural custom. All Muslims read the Qur'an the same way.

• Pashtunwali does not contradict Islam. Saying that Pashtuns don't adhere to half of the Qur'an because it contradict Islam is nonsense. Nobody treats Pashtunwali like some sort of religion. Somalis and Baloches have a similar tribal code that doesn't contradict Islam.

• The term Musakhel has nothing to do with being descended from Moses. The Musakhels aren't even a significant tribe. They're just a clan of the Babozai. It was just a clan/sub-tribe that was named after a Pashtun guy named Musa. And the name Musa doesn't imply a Jewish connection since these Pashtun tribes get their names from Pashtun individuals that use Arabic names (e.g. Yusaf → Yusafzai, Musa → Musakhel, Umar → Umarkhel) for religious/Islamic reasons. These Arabic names often have Hebrew cognates, which is where the Hebrew similarity comes from.

• The Afridis are also not the same as the Hebrew Efraims. The etymology for their name is not conclusive, but if had to be of Semitic origin, then it would be of Arabic origin since that name is also found in Arabic. However, it most likely isn't of Semitic origin. Afridis are also not the most numerous Pashtun tribe, those would be the Yusafzai. The tribal name Wazir comes from an Arabic word mean "leader". It isn't connected to any Hebrew name. Gadoons aren't either some tiny fringe tribe like the narrator is portraying, even though they are not that numerous.

• Some Jews did live in Afghanistan in the past, but they also lived in India, Uzbekistan, Persia, and other places. There were no Jewish empires ever in the recorded history of Afghanistan or any mass migration of Jews into Afghanistan. There is also no genetic connection and zero Hebrew loanwords in Pashto.

• An Aramaic writing doesn't mean that there is a Jewish connection. Aramaic used to be the lingua franca of West Asia and the Persian and Sogdian scripts are of Aramaic origin. The Aramaic alphabet spread from the northern Levant to Central Asia via the Persians.

• The Jewish myth was started by the Mughal Emperor Jahangir who likely did it for political reasons. He sent Haibat Khan of Samana and Nematullah Harwi to write the book based on whatever connections they could find to the Jews. They wrote about it in the book Makhzan-i-Afghani ("History of the Afghans") where they used mental gymnastics to connect Jews to Pashtuns. Prior to this, no such connection was ever spoken about. Pashtuns don't have much of a history of their own people so they made stuff up. They said the patriarch of Pashtuns was Qais Abdur Rashid and that he was the son of King Saul. He is said to have converted to Islam via meeting Muhammad and that the three tribal confederacies (Sarbani, Ghurghusht, Karlanri) were named after his sons (with the Ghilzais/Ghiljis acknowledged to be of Turkic origin). We know this is false for a fact because the Islamicization of Afghanistan under the Turks is pretty well recorded and no such person with the name "Qais Abdur Rashid" is mentioned in history, not by the Arabs or Jews or anyone else.
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saul lived around 1000 bc. this would mean mohammed existed as a spiritual being around 1500 years before he was born...
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Pashtuns don't have much of a history of their own people so they made stuff up.
Hah They have a history going back to 2,000 BC. Pakthas are mentioned in RigVeda. And so are Bhalanas (Bolanis), Druhyus (Dahae), Pani (Parnoi), Parsu (Persians), etc. among other unidentified tribes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings
"Graeco-Roman authors equated the Parthians with a Scythian tribe called the Parni (i.e. Greek Parnoi), which has been equated by some with the Panis. Strabo mentions that the Parnoi belonged to the Dahas (Dahae) and lived in Margiana and that they founded the Arsacid empire of Parthia."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panis

Israelis wanted fodder for their war against Palestinians and Pashtoons were one of the tribes they targeted. (The Mizos of India were another)

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Hah They have a history going back to 2,000 BC. Pakthas are mentioned in RigVeda. And so are Bhalanas (Bolanis), Druhyus (Dahae), Pani (Parnoi), Parsu (Persians), etc. among other unidentified tribes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings
"Graeco-Roman authors equated the Parthians with a Scythian tribe called the Parni (i.e. Greek Parnoi), which has been equated by some with the Panis. Strabo mentions that the Parnoi belonged to the Dahas (Dahae) and lived in Margiana and that they founded the Arsacid empire of Parthia."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panis

Israelis wanted fodder for their war against Palestinians and Pashtoons were one of the tribes they targeted. (The Mizos of India were another)
I worded that poorly. Pashtuns are also mentioned in Persian and I think Chinese sources as well. What I meant to say was that Pashtuns don't have much of a recorded history among themselves, especially in regards to their ethnogenesis. The general scholarly agreement is that the Pashtun ethnogenesis happened as a result of a union between East Iranian tribes that merged into one later on. There aren't any records of this so a story with Qais Abdur Rashid was invented out of thin air.

By the way, Pashtuns being the Pakhtas is still a theory.

I don't think Israelis are up to anything. This myth seems to be mainly promoted by Pashtuns themselves. It was invented by the Pashtuns/Mughals and only recently have a select few Jews touched upon it. This kind of theory is not something unique to Pashtuns or Mizos. Similar theories among the Irishmen and the Kashmiris about them being descended from the lost tribes of Israel also exist.
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Problem with us pashtuns is that we are collection of various Aryan Tribes that migrated into Afghanistan and went tk either NW India or Iran.

Due to that and with Islam's entry we saw many other ethinic groups who migrated in groups to Ariyana and settled here and became part of our society.

Take me for an example. kushzai means son of Kush. People have linked us with Caspians, Kushans, Scythians and Some Vedic tribes but non of their explanation is fullproof. Being semi nomadic we neber wrote our proper history, this is why i belive we are facing this question
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