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Old May 13th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #91

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The Moors were Black...
No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!
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Old May 13th, 2011, 06:13 PM   #92
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No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!
I don't think so, I think Moors were black and Arabs have some Moor DNA.

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No the moors where not black , they were north African and Arabs .Though they did have some black citizens among them (through slavery and integration most likely) , all Islamic civilizations at the time had a black minority among them, the key word here being MINORITY!!
I don't think so, I think Moors were black and Arabs have some Moor DNA.

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I found some new information on Halfdan the Black...

Watch this while you read what i'm about to tell you, it makes things legendary... YouTube - Amon Amarth - Varyags Of Miklagaard+lyrics

Now....

Halfdan the Blacks mother as some of you claim is Moorish. False!

His mothers name is Asa Haraldsdottir, she was a Norwegian Queen for the kingdom Agder. Her GRANDSON was Harald Fairhead, a Norwegian king described as having the palest blue eyes, and blond hair. Obviously Halfdan the Blacks son.

Asa's father was Harald Granraude, he was also king of Adger. Harald Granraude was married to Gunnhild Ragnvaldsdottier, the daughter of Ragnvald Sigurdsson.

Asa was purposed marriage by King Gudrod the Hunter. Asa's father refused the marriage, and Gudrod the Hunter ended up killing Asa's father, her brother, kidnapped her and married her. Asa took revenge a year later, and hired a servant to kill Gudrod the Hunter.... Asa took Halfdan with her to her kingdom of Adger, and ruled it for 20 years...

Asa then left the throne to her son, Halfdan. Halfdan also demanded half of his brothers kingdom. Halfdan was given the title because of his notorious black beard which struck fear to the citizens of his kingdom and neighboring kingdoms.



So....


Halfdan the Blacks father - Gudrod the Hunter, and mother Asa Haraldsdottier. Both white Norwegians who were rules as well as their ancestors.

Halfdan the Black gave the throne to his son, Harald Fairhead. His son then united Norway and was the first king of Norway. Declaring himself to be called, Harald I of Norway.



Case solved, now we all know Halfdan the Black was indeed a white Viking, with black hair. He did not have African blood or whatever.


Somebody should lock this thread and sticky note it.
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Somebody should lock this thread...
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Halfdan the Black

Haldan=Half-Danish

Black means he had black or dark brown hair

Just like Harald Fairhair means he had blonde or 'fair' hair.
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The moors were definitely Black and when a person was called "____The Black" it usually was a literal reference
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Old November 7th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #98
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Re Halfdan being half black


Dear Forum,
I thought I would respond to thins because it involves my family genealogy. My surname of Holder is a derivation of the Old Danish word Haldar which means Half Dark. Haldar was a son of Haldan or Halfdan as you have her the Old Danish word for half is hal (pronounced hall)Halfdan means half dane or half danish and refers to his Norwegian-Danish ancestry previously noted in the forum.I also agree with other comments in the forum accept those who claim Halfdan or Haldan as it should be was "half dark" or black although he may have had dark hair some original Danes had dark hair ,ther was also blond and red hair. It was not Halfdan or Haldan who was half dark; but his son Haldar or as you might put it Halfdar who was half dark/black It appears the novel that started this uses a little dramatic license, for the most part true, but missing one important facet, which I will try to correct for you.
This which I am about to impart comes from our family genealogy "The Holders of Holderness" as recorded by a noted ancestor and biologist Christopher Fredrick Holder in the late 19th early 20th century from various historic documents (including one written shortly after the Danish Viking invasion of York in Great Britain called The Viking Chronicles)and family sagas. It has been verified in a recent 21 Century DNA test conducted with thousands of Holders around the world (including myself)over 85% of which can trace their origins to Haldan through Haldar who is one of his sons.
Haldan or Halfdan (as you've been calling him)at one time got into a bit of trouble killing another Dane in a fit of anger. He was expelled and exiled from Denmark and travelled much of eastern Europe arriving finally in what is now Turkey and working as a bodyguard for a homosexual Turkish prince.
The Turks at the time were Christian and had to do 7 days of penance for killing someone; but since as a Viking Halfdan had no such aversion he took the position of the Turkish prince's bodyguard. As a Turkish prince the prince was often gifted wives; but since the price was homosexual the prince had no use for them. Halfdan of course being a Viking had no aversion to wives either so he developed a relationship with one such royal gift a Nubian princess from a kingdom in Africa( if memory serves she was from Ethiopia.
They fell in love and soon the princess was pregnant and since Haldan was clearly not Turkish it would be hard to explain why the child was paler then a Turkish-Ethiopian hybrid and since the dalliance was clearly a perceived insult to the Turkish prince (homosexual or not). Haldan was forced to kill the Turkish prince, a number of the princes other bodyguards in the process, defending the Ethiopian Princess and his child. Halfdan and the princess stole away taking the princes horses and princesses jewels with them and made haste back to Denmark to take his chances with his fellow Danes.
Along the way Halfdan's son was born and named Haldar(half dark). Halfdan with his bride, the Ethiopian princess returned to Denmark to raise their son Haldar as a Viking. The other Danes did view Haldan's wife and son a little differently because they were an oddity to Danes who had rarely if ever saw a black and mulatto before; since Haldan's journey was the first ever taken by a Dane who returned home. Maybe they were afraid of them;However it's doubtful since Danish Viking mothers were just as fearsome as their husbands if their families were threatened.
Haldar would later join his father on various expeditions and I'm sure if his wife was threatened by her Danish neighbors she probably followed and colonized as they went along colonizing The British Isles, Ireland, France (where they instituted the practice of Dan-gild(or Dane gold meaning extortion), Germany and as far as Moravia.
Therefore to summarize and bring to the current day: Halfdan was half Norwegian-half Dane and it was his son Haldar or I suppose to other writers in this forum "Halfdar" who was half dark, that half being Ethiopian. Within another 600-800 years this would be repeated as another ancestor would travel to The New World settling in the Caribbean and starting a Sugar Plantation and Boat building business and sire a whole new line of Haldars(or Holders as it became anglicized)of which US Attorney General Eric Holder is a descendent and probably a pretty good representation of what Haldar looked like (if you can envision him with longer hair).
I hope this has been helpful to you it's in the wee hours of the morning here and it's been a long day. I hope this puts the issue to rest. Thank you!
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Old November 8th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #99

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Germanic tribes migrated to North Africa in 429.

"Procopius' assertion that the Vandals and Alans numbered 80,000 when they moved to North Africa"

Viking trading contact with the Moors would have probably been in Spain, Hasting/Haesten's raid into the Med is the first recorded clash, circa 860. He appears to have been based in the Loire / Bay of Biscay and allied with the Bretons.
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Indeed. He simply had black hair.
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