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Old November 10th, 2016, 09:06 AM   #51
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Julius was succeeded by Romulus . The Eastern emperor never recognized this and Julius moved to (I think) Split, where he was eventually murdered.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 09:39 AM   #52

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Heraclius is overrated for me. His reign saved the Empire from the Persians, but also early and later parts of his reign were disastrous. The Arabs basically conquered most of the Empire. We must look at his reign as a whole, and he failed to secure Byzantine control of the Levant and North Africa. I will praise him for his conduct in the Persian campaign, and we must remember that the great Persian advances happened during Heraclius' reign. He also fomented more controversy within the Church with Monothelitism. His reign was a solid one and he was certainly able, but not in the league of Justinian or Basil II.
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Heraclius was great. Medieval blitzkrieg. Got old, lost his energy. Asking this is kind of like asking is Napoleon overrated because he was fat and out of shape in the Russian campaign so he didn't command as well as usual, or is Eugen of Savoy overrated for getting senile in the latter period of the War of Spanish Succession.

Generals and rulers get rusty, it happens all the time. They really should be judged overall and not just by their worst moments.

On balance, Heraclius rescued Byzantium in a truncated form. Not bad for an empire verging on total collapse, with its Anatolian heartland almost completely occupied.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 11:27 PM   #54

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Heraclius was the one who started the mess in the first place. Heraclius's war with Phocas and Nicetas' campaign in Egypt were the things that enabled the great Persian advances.
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Heraclius was the one who started the mess in the first place. Heraclius's war with Phocas and Nicetas' campaign in Egypt were the things that enabled the great Persian advances.
You can't judge a ruler's wroth by the acts he committed before he took power. That's like saying George Washington was a terrible President for starting by building a fort in French territory as a militia commander 20 years earlier.

And a civil war to depose Phocas? Dude that's totally justifiable
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I don't get it. Heraclius was actively fighting for control against Phocas so he considered himself a ruler. And his acts during that fight further destabilized the Empire and enabled the Sassanids to conquer the Levant and Egypt.
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And a civil war to depose Phocas? Dude that's totally justifiable
Is it? Virtually everything that we have written about how horrible Phokas was stems from Herakleios's regime.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 04:50 AM   #58

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The war still destabilized the Empire allowing the Persians to almost destroy it.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 08:13 AM   #59

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Is it? Virtually everything that we have written about how horrible Phokas was stems from Herakleios's regime.
There are historians that have compiled some broader information and pretty much agreed on the verdict of terrible incompetence.

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I don't get it. Heraclius was actively fighting for control against Phocas so he considered himself a ruler. And his acts during that fight further destabilized the Empire and enabled the Sassanids to conquer the Levant and Egypt.
It's not like the persians wouldn't have come anyways or even that the Byzantines would have held on. He made a move, let the chips fall, then picked them up by attacking the Sassanids and taking their lunch in a brilliant campaign.

If your argument is "why didn't he forsee all powerful desert warriors rising from the sands on horses and camels, defeating massively larger forces, following an austere and mysterious religion before turning on the Romans and smashing us in a series of decisive and impossible victories before he started a civil war?" well... who could have?
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No, I say that while Heraclius saved the Empire from the Persians, it was under his reign that the Persians even threatened the very existence of the Empire.
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