Eratosthenes

The study of Etymology as a science didn't come into being until the 17th century.

From the Wikipedia Etymology entry:
"From Antiquity through the 17th century, from Pāṇini to Pindar to Sir Thomas Browne, etymology had been a form of witty wordplay, in which the supposed origins of words were changed to satisfy contemporary requirements.

The Greek poet Pindar (born in approximately 522 BCE) employed creative etymologies to flatter his patrons.

Plutarch employed etymologies insecurely based on fancied resemblances in sounds. Isidore of Seville's Etymologiae was an encyclopedic tracing of "first things" that remained uncritically in use in Europe until the sixteenth century. Etymologicum genuinum is a grammatical encyclopedia edited at Constantinople in the ninth century, one of several similar Byzantine works. The fourteenth-century Legenda Aurea begins each vita of a saint with a fanciful excursus in the form of an etymology."

Bahadir

So?? I cant get the relevance... You mean they were speaking Persian and fighting with Persians but none of ancient writers cared to mention this, maybe the reason they were speaking same language??

Eratosthenes

Most Romans weren't speaking Persian and of those who did, their abilities in that language were probably minimal.

I'll give you a modern example: Italian and Spanish are almost the same language, yet an Italian in Latin America would need an interpreter to communicate with the locals. Also, as a native English speaker I can hardly communicate with some Scotch and Irish dialects.

The Sarmation tribes in Sogdohnia / Sarmatia had been there for at least six hundred years before the Romans made any contact with them.

By this time the local dialects would have grown so thick that a Persian speaking person from Persis might not recognize that he was speaking to a Persian speaking person - had he encountered a Sarmation tribesman from the north.

arras

It is just list of tribes which lived on territory of contemporary Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. They are not necessarily ones who contributed to ethnogenesis of Russians or creation of their first states.

arras

From what ancient writers mentioned about Scythian language:

If language is from same family as other language does not make it same language.

What was recorded certainly do not indicate Turkic language.

Bahadir

I was just trying to understand what was the logic and what tried to be said by that post, I have never said both were exactly same languages.
You cannot find because anything that questions Scytho-Iranian hypothesis are either censored due to copyright issues(Wikipedia materials are not copyrighted) or labeled as “Pan Turkist” and revised due to complaints by proponents of Scythia-Iranian concept or by orientalists. In fact everything Scythian was more or less related to proto-Turkic like Sakas, Kurgans, Tamgas, Pazyryk culture, life style, eating habits, battle tactics, warriors i.e. Georgian Meskethi Turks even ignored that claimed being descendants of Massageths or Azeri Turks claimed being ancestors of Ases etc. Here is Codex Sinaiticus from wiki, as expected labeled as “Pan-Turkist”, starts with;

User:Codex Sinaiticus/Ethnicity of Scythians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ktisis

About semantics. To you and all (Russian-speakers) who learned Russian history during Soviet era - it's very interesting lessons (in Russian), where the modern view of Russian historians is presented:
История России. Лекции
Especially by Igor Danilevsky who is a source study specialist. These lessons have very easy form (materials are adapted for schoolers).

ktisis

Apparantly, this word was borrowed in Proto-Slavic epoch, because it's common for many Slavic language from different groups (Southern, Western, Eastern ones). But that doesn't mean this word is Slavic origin. Unlike sekira, kolun (a splitting maul), teslo (an adze), drach (an axe for making dranitsa, roofing wood chips), tesak (a hatchet) and other hyponyms it doesn't have a clear Slavic verb to define its destination.
Btw, as I've found out this word was also borrowed by Romanian language.

Petyo

I've always had the impression that topors have narrow head, like a long rectangle, so they can pierce and split easily, while the sekiras have a "D" shaped head for slashing and cutting.. or perhaps this is just in Bulgarian? Here we have sekira, bradva, bradvichka, topor, tesla. Bradva is the general therm, the rest are more specific.

ktisis

In Russian sekira means a (originally a ). An descent of it is called berdysh ( )
Then yes, it's just in Bulgarian. In Russian the main term is topor.

The Bulgarian wiktionary says bradva is a local loanword of one of German languages. http://bg.wiktionary.org/wiki/брадва Did I understand correctly?