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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:40 AM   #1

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Genghis Khan and his Mongols, rude barbarians or genius warriors?


hello everyone,

I want to discuss here about Genghis Khan and his Mongols
everybody who likes history knows this guys. if you don't, don't let me find you
So why do many people see them as barbarians who show no mercy and slaughters men like sheep? Genghis Khan was a real genius and conquered half the world and was feared and honoured by his people.

I think that he and his Mongols were one of the greatest nations in the world. They ahd many problems with each other. but they were united and it looks like their unity has shown us that they were great people, and not to underestimate. The nations he conquered had not heard of him before, but once they saw the great Mongols, his reputation was considered a barbarian.

The thing I admire most about the Mongols is their ability to adapt and survive. from the steps of Asia to the snow of Russia, they have seen it al land survived it because of their knowledge of surviving and adapting.

So what do you guys think of Genghis Khan and his Mongols?

PS: I'm not very good at writing in English, so if you don't understand me, I'm sorry
PS 2:if there is already a topic about them, then I'm sorry

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Old June 2nd, 2008, 12:10 PM   #2

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Re: Genghis Khan and his Mongols, rude barbarians or genius warriors?


You make a very good point. Survival is certainly a part of genius.
BTW [by the way] your English is very, very good and I understand you perfectly. And I don't think I have seen a topic on the Mongols already.
When was he born and when did he die?
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 12:16 PM   #3

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His genius was, he took a bunch of nomadic tribes and turned them into a highly disciplined, invincible army.
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born in 1167 na died in 1227
but we do not know for sure wich year he was born. I thought there is a discussion between three years. one is 1155 and another is 1167
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I wouldn't say they were rude barbarians. Blood is always shed when one takes over land; it's only natural. I understand that the Mongols probably looked intimidating as they had a huge and buff stature with long, dark hair. Their expansion was rather impressive with the largest contiguous empire in history. Not bad for a bunch of random nomads from the Central Asian steppes.

Genghis Khan was okay, but if I had to prosecute the Mongols being barbaric, it's Kublai Khan with 19 million deaths.
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I'd say it's a bit of both.
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He was what today would be termed a shrewd politician. He had a genius for, as Paddyboy says, molding a group of independent nomadic tribes into one cohesive group. A group, that as it turned out, worked very well together under Khan's leadership.

However, consider - when one group is being overrun but another, the attackers are nearly always labelled "barbarians". Its all about perspective ...
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He was born in 1162.
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oops, little mistake
but one question: isn't it scientifically prooved (?) that the steppes make people more rude or something? maybe that's one of the many reasons why they are seen as barbarians? I'm not sure, just asking it
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I don't think it's proved and I don't think it's so.
Steppe nomads are used to harder life and poor conditions, fighting for the food and struggling to stay alive, as opposed to the lowland peasants, who needn't care about what they are going to eat that evening and whether they have enough fur to protect them from freezing to death in winter nights. This gives them both physical and mental strength, which helps them overcome any trouble and win any battle.
No wonder they seem barbarian to those peasants
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