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Old January 31st, 2012, 08:52 AM   #1

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King Henry VIII: Good or Bad


I did a search on King Henry VIII and wanted to know the different opinions on his rule. Most of the topics dealt with his wives and I didn't see one that dealt with his policies. Sorry If I am reposting a topic that has been rehashed. I just have a couple questions. I just recently started reading about him and I find his life fascinating.

However, what is the final verdict? In the end did he help England or hurt them?

How does Henry stack up with his contemporaries such as King Charles and King Francis?

It seems as though Henry was an intelligent man that had quite a bit of promise early on and then allowed his passions to rule him. While England experienced a surge in culture, they were in debt by the time of his death. Portugal, Spain, France and the Dutch had created global empires and England seemed to not be all that interested.

I see him ranked in many top 10 Kings of England and I just don't see it. What did he actually do besides marry 6 women?
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Old January 31st, 2012, 09:39 AM   #2

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Much like George Washington, or even a Abraham Lincoln, I see Henry 8 as the right man
for the right time and like the two US presidents mentioned, he did what he had to do. Some
like it, some don't. I find him fascinating.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 09:51 AM   #3

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He was a brutal ruler who destroyed the monasteries, and who was totally selfish in his pursuit of what he wanted. I don't think he was a good man.

But he had his good points, he was a good musician for instance, he wrote a song called Pastime with Good Company, which is very catchy.
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I see him ranked in many top 10 Kings of England and I just don't see it. What did he actually do besides marry 6 women?
He successfully split from the Church following the 1529 Parliament and throughout the 1530's passed a series of acts which declared him as the head of the Church of England. He was massively influenced by his right hand man, Thomas Cromwell...Cromwell was after the money, and was pretty unpopular with the citizens of England. Henry's split increased the amount of land he had (over 20% was owned by the Church) and the dissolution of the monasteries from 1537 increased his income significantly. Although, not all of his subjects and nobility were happy with the decision (i.e. Pilgrimage of Grace). Also may I mention, in 1521 he actually backed up the Church and wrote out against the Protestant ideals and Luther...and then he was adopting these ideals in the 1530's, contradiction much? He was desperate for a male heir. Excommunication resulted in a threat from the French and Spanish... Spanish Armada against Elizabeth I in later years.
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He successfully split from the Church following the 1529 Parliament and throughout the 1530's passed a series of acts which declared him as the head of the Church of England. He was massively influenced by his right hand man, Thomas Cromwell...Cromwell was after the money, and was pretty unpopular with the citizens of England. Henry's split increased the amount of land he had (over 20% was owned by the Church) and the dissolution of the monasteries from 1537 increased his income significantly. Although, not all of his subjects and nobility were happy with the decision (i.e. Pilgrimage of Grace). Also may I mention, in 1521 he actually backed up the Church and wrote out against the Protestant ideals and Luther...and then he was adopting these ideals in the 1530's, contradiction much? He was desperate for a male heir. Excommunication resulted in a threat from the French and Spanish... Spanish Armada against Elizabeth I in later years.
How did breaking away from Rome help England? Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently began studying this time period. From what I have read he spent money foolishly and died in debt so it doesn't seem as if the dissolution of the monasteries helped him much outside of the short-term.
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How did breaking away from Rome help England? Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently began studying this time period. From what I have read he spent money foolishly and died in debt so it doesn't seem as if the dissolution of the monasteries helped him much outside of the short-term.
By breaking from Rome, the English monarch's rule over the Church in England could be established completely. No more interference of censure from Rome for the Kings politcal/religious actions. Essentially it removed/limited an external secondary power in the relam which could challenge the kings authortiy.

Henry: Model of a Tyrant: Amazon.co.uk: David Starkey: Books
Henry: Model of a Tyrant: Amazon.co.uk: David Starkey: Books


David Starky (love him or hate him for various reasons) I beleive covers the aspect more in this book, rather than the wives. Also available as a DVD of the documentary series of the same name.
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How did breaking away from Rome help England?
Forgive the barbarian interference here, but it didn't. It was calculated to help Henry. In effect, what the did was sack the Pope and take on the job himself. Thereby aggregating to himself all the massive profits which went to Rome.
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How did breaking away from Rome help England? Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently began studying this time period. From what I have read he spent money foolishly and died in debt so it doesn't seem as if the dissolution of the monasteries helped him much outside of the short-term.
Breaking away from Rome suited him very well, as he could have more power and was able to do what he wanted and divorce a wife how could not have any children and marry who he wanted that could produce him an heir. He could also take all the money from the churches and spend it on himself. I think he was a very self indulgent king that had turned quite mad towards his later years.
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How did breaking away from Rome help England? Forgive my ignorance, but I just recently began studying this time period. From what I have read he spent money foolishly and died in debt so it doesn't seem as if the dissolution of the monasteries helped him much outside of the short-term.
Getting hold of a load of cash is rather handy, being able to manage finances is another matter entirely. Best not confuse the two.
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Forgive the barbarian interference here, but it didn't. It was calculated to help Henry. In effect, what the did was sack the Pope and take on the job himself. Thereby aggregating to himself all the massive profits which went to Rome.

which was good for England and its treasure
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