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He was great 29 27.10%
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He was disgusting 23 21.50%
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Old January 19th, 2013, 08:26 AM   #91
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Vlad Dracula was a native Wallachian. The supposed Cuman/Pecheneg origin was just a rumour.
His father was Vlad Dracul ([ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_II_Dracul]Vlad II Dracul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]), son of Mircea the Elder([ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_I_of_Wallachia]Mircea I of Wallachia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]) and Maria Tolmay (a Hungarian noblewoman), his mother was Cneajna (Vasilissa) of Moldavia, daughter of Alexander the Good ([ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Good]Alexander the Good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]), unfortunately I can't find any reference about who her mother was.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 08:49 AM   #92
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He was wallachian, even if basarabs came from cumans: never spoke about cumans at the time of Vlad. They were complete asimilated.
On the other hand, his mother, grandmother, grand-grandmother...were also cuman? No!
Basarab is called "Olacus", never "Cumanus". Even if some of Wallachian nobility would have had certain Cuman ancestry, they were already Romanianized in the times of Basarab.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 09:03 AM   #93

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I'd say the same...maybe the DNA test should have subjects with the surname "Coman"
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Old January 19th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #94
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Can you compare him with Iskender Bey, he was greath military commander of Albania. he served as Jannissary in Ottoman army, managed to stop Ottoman power with scarce resources.

Vlad tepeş was interesting character. But what greath success he have to be greath?

Let me see a success of him, so that let it be successfull of him. .

I love Cantemiroğlu, apretiate him much. What apretiation shall I have for Vlad?
Diplomacy? Military?
Cantemir had exclusively cultural achievements, as a ruler of Moldavia he was insignificant. About Vlad, the fact that he brought order in Wallachia and reduced criminality to almost zero was not an achievement? If the wonderful Night Attack ([ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Attack]The Night Attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], please read), during which Mehmed II survived only by his tent not being found, was not an accomplishment, the fact that Mehmed II praised Vlad seeing the forest of impaled captives, telling that "he can't take the land of a man having such great deeds etc.", and that the Ottomans felt terror facing such a sight, was not an achievement? If Matthias Corvinus wouldn't have had the miserable attitude he had towards Vlad, perhaps the things would have been different.
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I haven't seen too many comments about his special relationship with Mathias Corvinus. How much Corvinus agreed about Vlad's acts? I think not only Corvinus agreed with his atrocities against turk prisoniers and muslim civilians, but he pushed Vlad to do this. It was the only way to discourage civilians to adopt islamism, and turks to abandon islamisation. The letter of Vlad for Mathias, after the atrocities over civilians in north Bulgaria, suggest a kind of reproach: "ok, I did it! I killed old, women and children, is enough for you?"
Considering this, is clear Vlad was aware Corvinus used him, and hatted him. So, when the occassion was offered, he killed also the ones Mathias was supposed to defend, as a holly german emperor: germans and hungarians. This make, of course, Mathias to hate Vlad too. But was not too much to say, because between them was a terible secret agreement: to use terror, in it's unimaginable way, against civilians and prissoniers.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 12:59 PM   #96

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The Turkish Ottomans learned impalement from Vlad and they in turn introduced the Middle East that form of torture.
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51 percent evial and 49 percent good
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Old January 20th, 2013, 03:43 PM   #98

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Cantemir had exclusively cultural achievements, as a ruler of Moldavia he was insignificant. About Vlad, the fact that he brought order in Wallachia and reduced criminality to almost zero was not an achievement? If the wonderful Night Attack (The Night Attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, please read), during which Mehmed II survived only by his tent not being found, was not an accomplishment, the fact that Mehmed II praised Vlad seeing the forest of impaled captives, telling that "he can't take the land of a man having such great deeds etc.", and that the Ottomans felt terror facing such a sight, was not an achievement? If Matthias Corvinus wouldn't have had the miserable attitude he had towards Vlad, perhaps the things would have been different.
He didnt seem to be allied with any pasha who would love to rebell, or any enemy of Ottomans such as Hungarians, Pope..etc. He didnt bribe to get informations. nor involved in any entriques. Did he even have any diplomatic success?

May be he was a good commander or not. He wasn't greath enemy, because he was poor in diplomacy. He didn't stoped Mehmet II, as Iskender Paşa did. Althought Vlad knew Ottoman saray,army, he knew Mehmet II very well as he was his childhood friend. He was educated as Ottoman.

I am suspicious that Mehmet II said "he can't take the land of a man having such great deeds etc." even If he believed this. No leader would like to say such comment. It would demoralize vezirs, pashas.. army, not to mention letting It be recorded.

He makes history interesting subject. You feel reading more about him.

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Old January 20th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #99

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The Turkish Ottomans learned impalement from Vlad and they in turn introduced the Middle East that form of torture.
May be vice versa.
Who knows?
If you know tell the stoy, lets have a fun.

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Old January 20th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #100
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Turk + Romanian, isn't good combination
You can say that again. But a strange respect between us realy exist.

Vlad learn to impail frome the Turcs.
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