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He was great 27 27.84%
He was bad boy 8 8.25%
He was disgusting 19 19.59%
He was bad, but had his reasons 43 44.33%
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Old January 20th, 2013, 07:13 PM   #101

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There is no excuse for needless slaughter and torture.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #102

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There is no excuse for needless slaughter and torture.
Today.

But we have to look at individuals within the context of their own times.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #103

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May be vice versa.
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If you know tell the stoy, lets have a fun.
this torture was not unknown either to turks and bizantines. It is supposed it comes from early goths and slavs
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #104
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Vlad learn to impail frome the Turcs.
This isn't true, please read the article re: punishments whose link I posted above. In fact it was vice-versa.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #105
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He didnt seem to be allied with any pasha who would love to rebell, or any enemy of Ottomans such as Hungarians, Pope..etc. He didnt bribe to get informations. nor involved in any entriques. Did he even have any diplomatic success?
What would have meant "diplomatic success" in such a context, to pay the jizya and obey the Ottomans? Perhaps Hamza Pasha didn't want to rebel, finishing instead in the tallest stake. He was in alliance with Matthias Corvinus until 1462, when Matthias Corvinus for pragmatic reasons refused to offer the expected help. But after his release from prison, he married as his second wife Matthias Corvinus' cousin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Szilįgyi).

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May be he was a good commander or not. He wasn't greath enemy, because he was poor in diplomacy. He didn't stoped Mehmet II, as Iskender Paşa did. Althought Vlad knew Ottoman saray,army, he knew Mehmet II very well as he was his childhood friend. He was educated as Ottoman.
When Skanderbeg faced an Ottoman army led by the Sultan himself?

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I am suspicious that Mehmet II said "he can't take the land of a man having such great deeds etc." even If he believed this. No leader would like to say such comment. It would demoralize vezirs, pashas.. army, not to mention letting It be recorded.

He makes history interesting subject. You feel reading more about him.
The quote is from Chalkokondyles' book, Chalkokondyles being contemporary to the events.

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Old January 20th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #106

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I don't have any stories.

But I do think it is very funny that Vlad was clever enough to know man's greatest fear, which is inserting long sharp objects into the anus through the digestive tract out of the mouth while being dead.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 08:46 AM   #107

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When Skanderbeg faced an Ottoman army led by the Sultan himself?
Led by Sultan Murad and Prince Mehmed Fatih.

Siege of Krujė (1450) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sultan Mehmed

Siege of Krujė (1466

Sultan Mehmed

Siege of Krujė (1467) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old January 21st, 2013, 08:56 AM   #108

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About this name Mircea where does it come from ? Slavic Mircho or smth different ?
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:22 AM   #109
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About this name Mircea where does it come from ? Slavic Mircho or smth different ?
Yes, it comes from Slavic Mircho.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:24 AM   #110
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Thanks for the info, to be honest I didn't know about the Siege of Krujė.
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