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He was great 29 27.10%
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He was disgusting 23 21.50%
He was bad, but had his reasons 47 43.93%
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:24 AM   #111

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About this name Mircea where does it come from ? Slavic Mircho or smth different ?
how common is Mircho in slavic countries?
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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:34 AM   #112

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That's what I thought also Bogdan is another Slavic name used in Romanian.

About Vlad Tsepesh I can say that I respect him. He has balls to stand against the most powerful empire at the time which is I admire

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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:38 AM   #113

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how common is Mircho in slavic countries?
Now isn't very popular. More popular are names like Miroslav at least in Bulgaria. In Serbia/Croatia I think Mirko is still popular.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 03:58 PM   #114

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What would have meant "diplomatic success" in such a context, to pay the jizya and obey the Ottomans? Perhaps Hamza Pasha didn't want to rebel, finishing instead in the tallest stake. He was in alliance with Matthias Corvinus until 1462, when Matthias Corvinus for pragmatic reasons refused to offer the expected help. But after his release from prison, he married as his second wife Matthias Corvinus' cousin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Szilágyi).
Gaining any single bit of support from Ottomans enemy woul be a succes to be regarded.
What we have at hand for the shake of greathness is, his unplanned and unsustained rebellion. He is greath for Romanian nationalism because he dared to rebell. Apart from that he don't have considerable success except for night attack, his brutal order in Romania, (If It is to be called order).

If he wasn't so brutal not many people would know him, as not many people know İskender Bey who is mispronounced as Scanderbeg.

There are many rebellion in Ottoman history, but few of them are greath like that of Mehmet Ali Paşa, İskender Bey.

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The quote is from Chalkokondyles' book, Chalkokondyles being contemporary to the events.
It doesn't make It sure as long as there is room for suspicion.
Assuming It is true, It is weird that a Sultan would say that, in his campain.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:13 PM   #115

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Gaining any single bit of support from Ottomans enemy woul be a succes to be regarded.
What we have at hand for the shake of greathness is, his unplanned and unsustained rebellion. He is greath for Romanian nationalism because he dared to rebell. Apart from that he don't have considerable success except for night attack, his brutal order in Romania, (If It is to be called order).

If he wasn't so brutal not many people would know him, as not many people know İskender Bey who is mispronounced as Scanderbeg.

There are many rebellion in Ottoman history, but few of them are greath like that of Mehmet Ali Paşa, İskender Bey.



It doesn't make It sure as long as there is room for suspicion.
Assuming It is true, It is weird that a Sultan would say that, in his campain.
Is normal, as a real turk as you are, to ignore other kings, as Mircea, Stephen, Michael, all who beaten otoman army arse, and to suggest to turn our worship to otoman harmless Cantemir I like Cantemir, for what he was: a real romanian scolar
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:18 AM   #116

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I think that he was a necessary evil in that time and I also know that for many romanians he is up to this day a model of justice, honesty and bravery. Rest are more legends.
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He raised impalement to new heights! Too bad Vlad never got to talk to Ivan the Terrible,I bet they would have had an interesting discussion.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:29 AM   #118
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Is normal, as a real turk as you are, to ignore other kings, as Mircea, Stephen, Michael, all who beaten otoman army arse, and to suggest to turn our worship to otoman harmless Cantemir I like Cantemir, for what he was: a real romanian scolar

Or Russian ruler of Wallachia(in the 1770s) Count Peter Alexandrovich
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:34 AM   #119

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Or Russian ruler of Wallachia(in the 1770s) Count Peter Alexandrovich
right! I've allways said russians were worst than turks
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there's a grain of truth in every joke INow is 100% truth
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