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Old January 19th, 2013, 02:01 AM   #81

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Kanun, those Muslim Turks were not innocent civilians. They were soldiers who were invading Wallachia. No Hague or Geneva convention in those times, just no quarter given to the ennemy army
Can you give info about these unrecorded war between Vlad army and 20,000 army of annonimous Paşa?
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Old January 19th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #82

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You better safe be Romanians, I better be Turk.
I can't contradict you here
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Old January 19th, 2013, 02:39 AM   #83
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Can you give info about these unrecorded war between Vlad army and 20,000 army of annonimous Paşa?
I think that you wanted to refer to those 20,000 Turk/Muslim captives impaled outside Târgovişte. You can find the reference in Chalkokondyles' book (IX, 513-514) whose link I posted above, perhaps a Turkish translation of the book does exist.

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Kanun, those Muslim Turks were not innocent civilians. They were soldiers who were invading Wallachia. No Hague or Geneva convention in those times, just no quarter given to the ennemy army
If you read the book, you will see that women and children were in fact included amongst those impaled Muslim captives. But you know that extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures, and you know what the situation was.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #85
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He was a maniach that is what he is greath in.
IMO Vlad the Impaler was one of the greatest Romanian rulers ever. If you consider his accomplishments, the fact that he managed to make himself so respected and feared in a relatively short time, shows the caliber of his personality. The radical means to which he recurred were necessary in such troublous times, there were no other means to impose and keep order or to deal with the Ottoman threat, but his profound sense of justice was well-known.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 05:11 AM   #86

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I did not see all the posts but has any one here read the novel " The Historian " by Elisabeth Kostova ? The novel is a gripping tale and seems to be based closely on History.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 05:39 AM   #87
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Re: the punishments applied during Vlad the Impaler's rule, I find this article interesting: Vlad Tepes punishments.
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Old January 19th, 2013, 07:21 AM   #88

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Kanun, those Muslim Turks were not innocent civilians. They were soldiers who were invading Wallachia. No Hague or Geneva convention in those times, just no quarter given to the ennemy army
I haven't mentioned about whether they were innocent civilians or not. But, you have right. They were invaders but Vlad's method of execution was inhuman. He even ordered the spikes to not be so sharp so the sufferings of opponents can last longer.

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Turk + Romanian, isn't good combination, as in the case of Vlad. Bot of us are crazzy.
You better safe be Romanians, I better be Turk.
Vlad Dracula was a native Wallachian. The supposed Cuman/Pecheneg origin was just a rumour.

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Vlad III The Impaler, also known as Dracula, descended from the dynasty of Basarab, the first rulers of independent Wallachia, in present Romania. Whether this dynasty is of Cuman (an admixed Turkic people that reached Wallachia from the East in the 11th century) or of local Romanian (Vlach) origin is debated among historians. Earlier studies have demonstrated the value of investigating the Y chromosome of men bearing a historical name, in order to identify their genetic origin. We sampled 29 Romanian men carrying the surname Basarab, in addition to four Romanian populations (from counties Dolj, N = 38; Mehedinti, N = 11; Cluj, N = 50; and Brasov, N = 50), and compared the data with the surrounding populations. We typed 131 SNPs and 19 STRs in the non-recombinant part of the Y-chromosome in all the individuals. We computed a PCA to situate the Basarab individuals in the context of Romania and its neighboring populations. Different Y-chromosome haplogroups were found within the individuals bearing the Basarab name. All haplogroups are common in Romania and other Central and Eastern European populations. In a PCA, the Basarab group clusters within other Romanian populations. We found several clusters of Basarab individuals having a common ancestor within the period of the last 600 years. The diversity of haplogroups found shows that not all individuals carrying the surname Basarab can be direct biological descendants of the Basarab dynasty. The absence of Eastern Asian lineages in the Basarab men can be interpreted as a lack of evidence for a Cuman origin of the Basarab dynasty, although it cannot be positively ruled out. It can be therefore concluded that the Basarab dynasty was successful in spreading its name beyond the spread of its genes.
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Take a look at his portrait.

http://www.donlinke.com/images/Vlad/...es_big-x01.jpg

He looks like Balkan mountaineer. I have seen some similar Albanians with this look. Dinaricized long/narrow faced.

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Vlad Dracula was a native Wallachian. The supposed Cuman/Pecheneg origin was just a rumour.
He was wallachian, even if basarabs came from cumans: never spoke about cumans at the time of Vlad. They were complete asimilated.
On the other hand, his mother, grandmother, grand-grandmother...were also cuman? No!
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IMO Vlad the Impaler was one of the greatest Romanian rulers ever. If you consider his accomplishments, the fact that he managed to make himself so respected and feared in a relatively short time, shows the caliber of his personality. The radical means to which he recurred were necessary in such troublous times, there were no other means to impose and keep order or to deal with the Ottoman threat, but his profound sense of justice was well-known.
Can you compare him with Iskender Bey, he was greath military commander of Albania. he served as Jannissary in Ottoman army, managed to stop Ottoman power with scarce resources.

Vlad tepeş was interesting character. But what greath success he have to be greath?

Let me see a success of him, so that let it be successfull of him. .

I love Cantemiroğlu, apretiate him much. What apretiation shall I have for Vlad?
Diplomacy? Military?
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