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Old May 17th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #1
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The Genealogy of "Paladin" Concept in Roman Elite


Greetings:

I am Sicilian-American, and surname is "Palazzolo." Anyway, I have always since childhood been attracted to subjects like knighthood, chivalry, crusading orders, idealistic spiritual warfare, military castes (e.g. the Aryo-Vedic Kshatriya, originally of higher rank than the priests), etc.

Well, inevitably I discovered my own name is linked deeply intimately to the subject consuming my passion most. Eerie.

Palazzolo derives, in deep-deep-deep etymology, from "noble patrician manor", literally "palace" (in Latin "palatium" from the Palatin Hill, one of the famed 12 cities of Rome, sacred to Mars and mannerbund-type wolf-societies, where Augustus built his super-mansion). The basic idea is "palatial soldier."

The history of how Palatium gave birth to "Paladin", the Carolingian heroic Christian knight of right, is fascinating.

Firstly, I believe the history started with the late Roman army and its nobiliary elite shock troops of the Emperor. House-carls is similar in meaning. I mean hardcore bodyguard Praetorian types. Please correct me if I am wrong. These "shock troop royal-guards" were first in Rome, the Praetorian Guard of course, but Constantine, in his wars, dissolved the old system, re-formed his own personal elite imperial guard, and called them "Scholae Palatinae". I believe they constituted the most elite cross-trained soldiers and "special forces" of the time--again, correct me if I am wrong.

Later in history, the late Roman army developed units of high-status "Auxilia Palatini" shock troops, expanded units of forces not immediately enmeshed in the Emperor's service. Historians are unsure of the exact honorific-noble status of the Auxilia Palatini, and whether they resembled sort of irregular guerrillas or the finest units. Unresolved, except these Palatini definitely yet carried high military and hierarchical social rank.

(I imagine King Arthur, if historic, if he was "Dux Bellorum" or tribune or whatever, commanded such a unit of "irregular", "special forces" palatini "rangers"--probably Scythian-Sarmatian-Alanic mounted troops, hypothetically, see "From Scythia to Camelot", I can recommend.)

Comes means in Roman history, military governor of exceptional commanding power, or special imperial representative, "companion".

Thus, in the late Roman military hierarchy, practically identical to nobiliary patricianship, a "Comes Palatinus" (Count of the Palace) rank developed, not so dissimilar from the Magister Militum ambiance, this rank developing bit by bit and eventually, as the special "viceroy" of the Caesar in governance, carrying high prestige and dignity. Not many held higher realistic authority than the Comes Palatinus in crepuscular Rome and Byzantium.

As time evolved, there was the Merovingian "comes palatii", high-order royal noble executioners of the dynastic kingly will, and then into the Carolingian era, Charlemagne the Catholic spearhead war-king, designated several of his highest functionaries and administrative officers as "Comes Palatini", regenerating the Roman meaning fully and definitively. No doubts as to the term's honorable signification could now be possible.

Thence, thrown around in different languages, from Latin to Germanic to French to English to French, etc., the word and concept "Paladin" connoting "noble Christian heroic knight of knights, champion of the right" arose. The epic saga of Roland, etc., so heavy in Christianized Germanic warrior-hierarchical values...

Later, in Germany, Hungary, Eastern Europe, etc., "Count-Palatinates" developed as semi-autonomous units basically controlled by feudal-type warlords. The equivalent name in Eastern European history is "voivode", the Slavic nobiliary station of the historical Vlad Tepes--Dracula the inspiration of Stoker, of the stock of the Draculae--brutal warlords of warlords, nominally under imperial oversight, but freely self-acting as Christendom's Eastern shield, thus given exceptional freedom to act--a situation ripe for misuse and tyrannical potentialities, as we learned with Dracula the Impaler and the "despotates".

Thus, the above is the summation of what I have learned so far about the personally totally interesting and mysterious and eerie, due to my own self-identity as a counter-modern "white knight" personality of ultraconservative-restorationist tendencies, discovering the meaning of my own name thus wise... My life-long identification with "Galahadean"-type holy Christian chivalry--combating modern degeneracy and Mafia oligarcho-cryptocracy, so much of me is inscrutably interlinked...

My name means late Roman or Byzantine "palatial-royal storm trooper/commando" in exotic terms. And I have always identified passionately in this way without even knowing these things...isn't that strange? Maybe "spiritual karma" exists, who knows, or traces in the blood-memory...

I know the Italian nobility was destroyed officially by the Socialist-Communist influence in Europe, except for the morally-ambiguous "Black (pontifical) Nobility", but I wonder now if I have some distant noble blood in me, whether Sauromatian, Ghibelline or native Roman-Sicilian or whatever... (Most every human being does, as tragic Darwinist law rules here on earth, and the existing population are merely offspring of warrior-despots of all types, no doubt...)

My genographic haplogroup paternally is G2a, and some genetic researchers link G2 in Europe to these very Arthurian legionary palatini-type proto-knights, possible Sauromatian transplanted shock-cavalry or Roman pre-chivalry.

The assassinated French King Louis (of the French Revolution) interesting carries my same exact haplogroup.

Elsevier

I have NO idea what this could mean... Deep-deep shared Alan-type blood...? (Historians underestimate the penetration of medieval leadership strata by a micro-society of Alan-blooded military governors, who became genetically dominant in many noble European houses)... Who knows...?

(I am not having an egomaniac episode :P -- I am only super-interested in history, and personal history moreover...)

I know Palazzolo is a relatively common name, and also a topographic name too, and could also mean, rather ignobly, medieval manorial servant possibly, as house-servant or butler or serf...? But I doubt it in my case -- my gut-instinct says no...

Interestingly, I do know my Sicilian great-grandfather was promoted to, uh...the American equivalent is "Captain" I believe (the highest field-position, where you actually can get shot easily, ha)...from "corporal"...on the field, in some Italian war--apparently such a thing was very, very rare; and I do have papers so moldy and ready to dissolve, I am afraid to touch, but seem like "certificates" granting him some sort of honor or recognition for this fact... I know this "proves" nothing, but is meaningful in my eyes, as soldierly nature is linked to patrician status historically and anthropologically...

Is there a shield of arms or crest for Palazzolo, in heraldry, I wonder...? The manifold linguistic and historical significance of the root word in history is quite real.

From the Palatine Hill mysteriously sacred to wolf mannerbunden of ancient Roman warriors of Mars (already at the deepest origins the warrior element is interestingly central), to ducal Palatines, the German medieval, semi-royally independent Pfalzgraf (still some survive today), etc., to me, is just such an interesting, rich archeo-historic journey...

Lastly, I want to say, I am not normally so self-focused AT ALL -- the subject necessitates it this time -- and lastly, *I am no militarist* -- I am a passionate spiritually-educated "Galahadic" personality only, really. The less carnage in protecting justice, the better.
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A good hypothesis, sharable. I post something with light differences:

As for I know the term "Paladino" [ing. Paladin] is an evolution in the age of the Carolingian Kings of the Roman definition "comes palatinus".

In origin the term "comes palatinus" [or colloquially only "palatinus"] indicated a high rank officer of the palace ["palatium"]. In the medieval era this more generic term became Count Palatine, while the part of those officers with military skills and assignments became a special guard.

Regarding the usage of the work "Knight", I personally prefer the word "Champion", since "knights" in the strict meaning of the word were still to come.
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Old May 17th, 2012, 04:27 AM   #3
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Sir Knight,

We are saying the same thing.

A parallel in English is Castle, or Castor, etc., conveying in origins the feudal castellan, minor barony blood probably in there somewhere...

I wish you well, fellow-bellator.
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All of us are descendants of successful warriors. That is objective reality. Darwinian iron law of tragedy -- and why I am a Christian spiritual quester who REJECTS this eon's corrupt laws... In no way am I claiming glory, or exceptional uniqueness for myself.

Military elites are civilization's inevitable core. All of us come from militant predatory berserker mannerbunden... Interesting to contemplate...

What we know as "sociopathy/psychopathy", is simply naturalistic process, and why materialism in society, is its own suicide; and that is why I am GALAHADEAN and ASCETICAL in my passion for knightly things. Plato said, give the one power, who yearns not for power. Wisdom-traditions are different, but if true, say the same truths. I walk the path of the boddhisattvic warrior, not a concupiscent mleccha.
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I am Sicilian-American ........
(Scholae Palatinae)
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The scholae as one of the (east) roman imperial tagmata (elite cavalry regiment)
Scholae_Palatinae Scholae_Palatinae
The scholae, along with the excubitores, continued to exist in the 7th and early 8th centuries, although diminished in size, as purely ceremonial units. However, in ca. 743, after putting down a major rebellion of thematic troops, Emperor Constantine V reformed the old guard units of Constantinople into the new tagmata regiments, which were meant to provide the emperor with a core of professional and loyal troops.
The tagmata were professional heavy cavalry units, garrisoned in and around Constantinople, forming the central reserve of the Roman (Byzantine) military system and the core of the imperial expeditionary forces
see also
East_Roman_army East_Roman_army

under a transformation of Komneni dynasty, in Komnenian Byzantine army many of the earlier guard units did not survive the reign of Alexios I; the scholai, Immortals (athanatoi), and exkoubitoi are not mentioned in the reigns of his immediate successors (to the sourses we have searched). have a look to
Komnenian_army Komnenian_army

The refference of a part of Makedones of imperial guard (a similar one excisted to 10th century) in midle 14th century guarding a Prison in Constantinople [consisting of Tsakones],- but not mentioned elsewhere - shows us that an excistences of parts of the previous tagmata perchaps, with the older names or under new names or in different duties, may excisted. see Les Tzacones (Supplementa Byzantina) (French Edition) by Stamatis C. Caratzas
so its not clear if happened a final transformation of those x-tagmata (x-Scholae Palatinae) units, propably to the latest named 'paramonai' (paramone) in Palaiologan Roman (Byzantine) army.
Palaiologan_Byzantine_army Palaiologan_Byzantine_army

unfortunately, in my opinion, we have not a very specific further modern analysis of the transformation of the palatini and the latest army up to 1461, perchaps you may find some elements from sourses preserved to books/studies such those made the IBE (Institute of Byzantine research) IBR-Editions
as also in parrallel doing personal yourself analysis/research of the shields insignia of the (Scholae Palatinae)/ of notitia dignitatum, in comparisson with some latest roman (byzantine) insignia found as painted in walls of churches, or in latest Manuscripts.

but ofcouse if u care only about the name as name, in the exact form palatini, paladin , well i can not help you more , as also for the transformation of the name or of the units, as i know, there is no more deep research for the latest 15th century roman army, to this specific section. (ofcourse there some books and sourses that i haven't)
in eastern Roman empire, up to today some surnames made from the profession or the of the official (roman) title of an ancestor.

the subject is very interesting, hope someonelse help u more. (my reffer is only from the roman world up to 15th century, not the rest europe, as you asked or mentioned) . sorry.
greetings from greece.

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Old May 17th, 2012, 05:32 AM   #6
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Incredibly interesting.

I've been told I look like a classical Greek (and the male in the Twilight series)...

Your research here, now allows people to realize I am indeed not a lunatic, so thank you.

Your picture is also very captivating and a fine specimen.

Greetings from...Hyperborea...
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