Middle Ages End - Page 8 - Historum

Wobomagonda · July 21st, 2009, 07:28 AM

476 - 1453 sounds about right. first = fall of west, last = fall of east. (Romans/byzantines)

Waleis · July 21st, 2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Edgewaters

Well, some events change the way people think, even when they're not specifically intellectual developments. For instance, the discovery of the Americas had a massive effect on European thinking, not just about plain geography but about religion, society, etc.

I agree with you. That's why I said "(unless they change the way people think)," in my original post.

Alex III · July 21st, 2009, 08:47 PM

I'd say the middle ages ended in different periods throughout Europe...

Starting in Italy with Petrarch in the mid 14th century and the spark of humanism and the Renaissance...

As the Renaissance spread through Western Europe I would say that is when the middle ages came to end.

So it's location specific, not time specific.

(you could even argue that the Renaissance in Italy began before Petrarch, as many do.. but I personally associate the start of the Renaissance with the work of Petrarch *not to be confused with the 12th century 'renaissance' either*)

**Comet** · July 22nd, 2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex III

I'd say the middle ages ended in different periods throughout Europe...

Starting in Italy with Petrarch in the mid 14th century and the spark of humanism and the Renaissance...

As the Renaissance spread through Western Europe I would say that is when the middle ages came to end.

So it's location specific, not time specific.

(you could even argue that the Renaissance in Italy began before Petrarch, as many do.. but I personally associate the start of the Renaissance with the work of Petrarch *not to be confused with the 12th century 'renaissance' either*)

I totally agree...it's more location specific, not time specific.