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Old November 17th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #21

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Really depends on your point of view I guess.
I agree with this post. There will be some people who want to start in the time the person was born, which I think is silly. In this scenario, the person needs to be judged on when they had the most influence and achievments, and for Genghis Khan, this was in the 13th century and not the 12th.
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Well, my criterium would be that of achievements acomplished during the century. Otherwise, Genghis Khan would be the greatest figure. Problem is that by 1200, he was no more than one among many tribal leaders struggling in forgotten steppes and forests.


The century is one of great power atomization in the world, which led to less prominent political figures than other centuries, in the sense of universal significance.

Among the many leaders, I agree that Saladin was the most prominent. Beside him, Averroes stand, might more influentially because of his impact on thinking. The Muslim world produced many of the best men of the age: Zengi, Nur ad Din, Abu Yusuf Yaqub...

The century was very rich in lot medium profile characters, that we know very well. In Christian Europe, Henry II more than Richard the Lionheart, Frederick I Barbarossa, Manuel I Komnenos, Baldwin IV in the Levant. Manuel was a much remarkable person, maybe in pair with Saladin.

In India, the political fragmentation was higher than elsewhere. In this case, Kulothunga Chola III shine.

In the East, Minamoto no Yoritomo is probably the most remarkable figure. Emperor Taizong of Jin might accomplished more, but he's a obscure figure. Minamoto stablished the pillars of Japan for the next eight hundred years.

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Revising my view on this one due to Bamboozle's insight:

11th Century: Salah ad-Din
(12th Century: Genghis Khan)
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I agree with this post. There will be some people who want to start in the time the person was born, which I think is silly. In this scenario, the person needs to be judged on when they had the most influence and achievments, and for Genghis Khan, this was in the 13th century and not the 12th.
Well, he started creation of his tribal confederacy in the 12th Century, but I agree that he is more of a 13th Century figure.
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Its hard to say who was the single most important figure in any given period. At least, it depends what you mean by 'important' - to who and what? Roger II was important to Sicily and Italy. But how important were the Normans to the Western Chalukyas or Kilwa Sultanate? In the same respect, how important was Saladin outside the Crusades? Again, it depends what you mean by important.

Part of me wants to say Ibn Sina or Ibn Rushd. But I'm inclined to say Ya'qub al-Mansur (reigned 1184-1199), the fourth Almohad caliph. His reign had long-standing consequences in terms of religion, war, trade, philosophy, science, etc..
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I would say Salah-a-Din or Genghis Khan.
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Revising my view on this one due to Bamboozle's insight:

11th Century: Salah ad-Din
(12th Century: Genghis Khan)
Is this a joke??

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Another influential man was Abbot Suger of St Denis, who was the first to patron Gothic architecture.
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Just another suggestion for greatest 12th century figure: Emperor Taizu of Jin might be a candidate.

Edit: Someone already suggested that.
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I would say Salah-a-Din or Genghis Khan.

Is this a joke??
No joke.
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No joke.
Salah-a-Din is 12th century in case you did'nt know..
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