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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:09 PM   #11

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Is that the same guy who rivalled Pandolfo Malatesta?
That's him, the two were great rivals(Sigismondo Pandolfo even challenged Federico to a personal duel once, but the Duke of Urbino refused)
Despite their tensions, they tried to be as respectful as possible towards the other rival(Federico proved to be more successful in this)
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #12

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Hugues de Payens, the founder of the Templar order. Same with Raymond IV, Count of Toulouse, one of the leaders of the first crusade.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #13

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That's him, the two were great rivals(Sigismondo Pandolfo even challenged Federico to a personal duel once, but the Duke of Urbino refused)
Despite their tensions, they tried to be as respectful as possible towards the other rival(Federico proved to be more successful in this)
I thought it was, but my mind was blank when I read the name. Typical, lol!

Thanks for clearing that up!

Im a fan of Malatesta, and I think his military abilities were excellent. He was unfortunate to face a coalition against him near the end.

What do you think of his reputation? It seem to have been tainted by the Pope, imo. What is your opinion of that and his excommunication?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #14

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From Polish knights that most notable are Zawisza the Black of Garbˇw, also known as the Black Knight and Mszczuj of Skrzynno.

The first became quite famous in Europe in his times and was the winner of many tournaments, the second killed in duel the Grand Master of Teutonic Order Ulrich von Jungingen and took part in many wars.

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Old November 29th, 2012, 04:25 AM   #15

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Thanks guys for your answers, but I was referring to which medieval country has the best Knights, not who is the best Knight.
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Then there's no doubt about it, that it would have to go to that bastion of Chivalry; France.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 04:56 AM   #17

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Considering the fact that in all Europe knights were armed in the similar way, fought in the same way, belived in exactly the same ideals, the question is rather without answer.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:15 AM   #18

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Going with Mosquito here, its very hard to differentiate, very much of a muchness. As with all those which are the bext X threads no one can ever really decide on what makes something the best, or though one option excells at one thing it may be rather poor at another. Anybody who has ever seen a what is the best tank of WW2 thread should well know this.


Now, throwing out a possibility Im going to pip in for Outremer and the Templars/Hospitallers. Not neccessarily because they could be rated the best in any sense, nor because Its my area of study, but because of one thing.

The massed heavy cavalry charge. It seems in the Latin East that the ability to get large numbers of knights, mounted horsemen, to together, en masse in a formation appears to have developed there relatively early on, and was used because of the neccessity of warfare so frequently that the matter was perfected by the Military Orders. Getting knights to do this in such large numbers, getting them ti hold back and wait for the appropriate time and then unleashing them all together is no easy task. Contemporary battles such as Bremule in 1119 in France show the problems of doing it wrong.


Thats about it really. As I said, any which is the best X thread is very hard, and Im not sure one could even consider them the best simply for the above. Nevertheless it is something of note.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:27 AM   #19

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I would like to add that word "country" in medieval times was also somthing completelly different than modern nation states and saying things like "knight from Germany" or "knight from France or England" is not exactly the same what today means Germany, France or England.

Was the knight from Brittany French? Or the one from part of France which was under english rules, who swore allegiance to king of England was French or English? Burgundian knight was French or Dutch or Belgian or German? The knight from Silesia was German or Polish?
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:37 AM   #20

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William Marshal is a good choice, but I'd also like to nominate Richard I Lionheart. If we can believe the accounts on the Battle of Jaffa (1192) we can say that he was quite a warrior.
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