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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #1

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I have written blogs on here about the Summer of 1483 as to what happened back then. I had to scratch around and forget using any Tudor Propaganda to the likely events that happened back then. The boy king was in the Tower just before his coronation and the Duke of York was in sanctuary in Westminster with his mother and his sisters. A turn of events seemed to happen around the time when Hastings was executed.
Its seems that still today's historians seem to refer to Richard as an evil child murdering hunchback that Shakesphere had painted him.
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I have written blogs on here about the Summer of 1483 as to what happened back then. I had to scratch around and forget using any Tudor Propaganda to the likely events that happened back then. The boy king was in the Tower just before his coronation and the Duke of York was in sanctuary in Westminster with his mother and his sisters. A turn of events seemed to happen around the time when Hastings was executed.
Its seems that still today's historians seem to refer to Richard as an evil child murdering hunchback that Shakesphere had painted him.

Its difficult to get much beyond blaming Richard. Whilst he was loved in much of the north, he was less popular in London, and by the spring of 1485 the fingers suspicion were pointing in his direction. It would have been so easy to arrange an impromptu ride by to still the wagging tongues.

As for the bard of Avon, nice poetry rubbish history.
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Its difficult to get much beyond blaming Richard. Whilst he was loved in much of the north, he was less popular in London, and by the spring of 1485 the fingers suspicion were pointing in his direction. It would have been so easy to arrange an impromptu ride by to still the wagging tongues.

As for the bard of Avon, nice poetry rubbish history.
He looked after the poor, and changed laws which did not suit the landed gentry. Margaret Beaufort had set tongues wagging on her sons behalf in Europe in 1483 and worked a campaign on hearsay and lies.

I totally agree with you about Shakesphere, he wrote during the Tudor reign. He would not be allowed to write the truth, as if he did I don't think would have got any recognition for it.
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Its difficult to get much beyond blaming Richard. Whilst he was loved in much of the north, he was less popular in London, and by the spring of 1485 the fingers suspicion were pointing in his direction. It would have been so easy to arrange an impromptu ride by to still the wagging tongues.

As for the bard of Avon, nice poetry rubbish history.
I came across an interesting theory that Henry the seventh might have actually been the one to get rid of them. This is of course, unlikely, but still an interesting thought.
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I came across an interesting theory that Henry the seventh might have actually been the one to get rid of them. This is of course, unlikely, but still an interesting thought.

Yes the Henry VII theory has been around for a while, but why when tongues were wagging during his own lifetime did Richard not produce the princes and say
`Here they are.` It woukd have done much to quiten the doubterts.
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Little or no evidence was left around to know what had really happened to the princes after Henry usurped the throne. Its all been a convenient mystery that the princes had made a gradual disappearance during the summer of 1483. After the Buckingham rebellion it had been written into history that both princes were dead. I am one of those who thinks there was more than the story of Perkin Warbeck and he was Richard of York. Oh course he was always known as the pretender in English history, but they were people in Scotland that were more convinced that he was Richard of York.
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