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Old December 11th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #21

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As for the truth to come out the big wig historians are still intent on talking rubbish about Richard and The Princes in the Tower. I don't think that anybody can take what Tudor propagandist as truth.

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I believe this is where the problem lies. His character was almost certainly assassinated by the Tudors, upon their rise to the throne, so its a case of distinguishing fact from fiction.


Certainly books like "Bosworth field and the war of the Roses" by AL Rowse, do nothing to help Richards legacy, although, the author is a well known fan of the Red rose.
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And solutions might be found in St George's, Windsor, sir? It seems Richard felt more comfortable in the North of England, as Edward's Viceroy and which he had quietened down, holding back the Scots, and where he was happy, where his son was born.

There's enough to think Richard gained a lot of loyalty up there, and among loyalty, Yorkshire was his home. Much different to his London seat and its court. How to reconcile the Princes with Richard's record? He doesn't strike me as able to kill his nephews and stuff them under the stairs, he may have done or allowed what had to be done, but the more you study the man the more you suspect there was a more honourable fate for his nephews.

And rather than disliking Kingship as some suggest, Richard might have found it much different and more difficult than council governance. It's interesting that he got ready for battle in the North.
I pretty much have no disagreements here tbh.
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And solutions might be found in St George's, Windsor, sir? It seems Richard felt more comfortable in the North of England, as Edward's Viceroy and which he had quietened down, holding back the Scots, and where he was happy, where his son was born.

There's enough to think Richard gained a lot of loyalty up there, and among loyalty, Yorkshire was his home. Much different to his London seat and its court. How to reconcile the Princes with Richard's record? He doesn't strike me as able to kill his nephews and stuff them under the stairs, he may have done or allowed what had to be done, but the more you study the man the more you suspect there was a more honourable fate for his nephews.

And rather than disliking Kingship as some suggest, Richard might have found it much different and more difficult than council governance. It's interesting that he got ready for battle in the North.
You raise some interesting points here. The possibiliity of the Princes being buried at Windsor is intruiging. Although I do think that Richard was responsible for the disappearance of his nephews I also believe he was caught in an impossible dilemma on the death of his brother Edward 1V and it was either him and his family or his nephews. I could never condone the murder of innocents but in a harsh age it was perhaps understandable. Why dont you and Manjekyou join the discussion group as an infusion of new perspectives would be welcome?
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Sure Ill join. Just direct me to it.
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Glad to hear it. Just go to my page and you will see the group at the bottom. Just click on and take it from there.
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I pretty much have no disagreements here tbh.
I did know that you very interested in the Wars of the Roses and Richard III
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Ok mate, done. Ive filled i some quickies, but ill reply to the rest tomorrow, when I have more time to examine them in detail

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Indeed I am

To be honest, its an extention of my interest in the hundred years war.
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You raise some interesting points here. The possibiliity of the Princes being buried at Windsor is intruiging. Although I do think that Richard was responsible for the disappearance of his nephews I also believe he was caught in an impossible dilemma on the death of his brother Edward 1V and it was either him and his family or his nephews. I could never condone the murder of innocents but in a harsh age it was perhaps understandable. Why dont you and Manjekyou join the discussion group as an infusion of new perspectives would be welcome?
Yes I'll do it today, thanks.
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Good morning Crystal Rainbow, how are you?

For the OP, what are your thoughts so far?
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For the OP, what are your thoughts so far?
I am fine, but I have to go to work soon.
I am happy that we are discussing Richard in a more realistic light. I had visited Berwick and there was scant information about Richards influence there. That's just one of the things that not spoken about in much in English history. If you mentioned that to someone in the street people would look at you blankly and not understand you. I have written a lot of blogs about Richards life if you are interested.
I think Richard was a man that had seen plenty of greed, hatred, dishonesty and scheming plots. I think all he was trying to do was the right thing for his people as they had suffered enough during the wars of the roses.
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