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Old December 14th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #51
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...and it was not in Richard's nature to behave that way he did not stand a chance during his reign.
i think we should be very wary of casting Richard as Mother Theresa on a horse - he wasn't, he was a medeival magnate and King who'd spilt his fair of blood on the battlefield, and not blanched at the prospect of extra-judicial execution if he believed it was warranted.

personally i do not believe he was some psychologically deformed genocidal maniac - he appeas to have been a reasonably popular, competant administrator who's legislation differentiated between the private business of the king and the public business of the people, that was in a language the public could understand - a first, and that was not only 'good' on principle, but technically well thought out - unlike, for example, some very badly put-together modern legislation which has utterly failed to do what parliament said it would do.

he was a product of his age, and actually admitting that makes him a more attractive figure, not less.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 05:04 AM   #52

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i think we should be very wary of casting Richard as Mother Theresa on a horse - he wasn't, he was a medeival magnate and King who'd spilt his fair of blood on the battlefield, and not blanched at the prospect of extra-judicial execution if he believed it was warranted.

personally i do not believe he was some psychologically deformed genocidal maniac - he appeas to have been a reasonably popular, competant administrator who's legislation differentiated between the private business of the king and the public business of the people, that was in a language the public could understand - a first, and that was not only 'good' on principle, but technically well thought out - unlike, for example, some very badly put-together modern legislation which has utterly failed to do what parliament said it would do.

he was a product of his age, and actually admitting that makes him a more attractive figure, not less.
Must agree with this overall. Its important to look at these people within the times they lived in. Richard wasn't the atypical bloodthirsty knight, but he did enjoy fighting.

He was a popular figure in the north, where his administration, albeit ot perfect, was implemented to a degree that maintained his popularity amongst the masses.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 05:11 AM   #53
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Concur. As a new undergraduate and despite our beliefs or stuff we think we know, history's about mind sets and about thinking in the context of the times. It's often unhelpful to judge history and its actors by modern standards or our own beliefs. Which is of course, one of the reasons why studies and essays are so challenging !!
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Hands up all those who are members of The Richard III Society Forum and in particular the person who posted this discussion onto their site. Had I wished my views about Richard to be aired on the Society's forum I would have joined and posted there. I look forward to hearing your explanation.
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Oh great....who the hell has done that ?!
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Old December 14th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #56
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Oh great....who the hell has done that ?!
Not guilty M'Lud. I don't do societies. And certainly I wouldn't want even my ramblings to fuel any agenda or aims they might have
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Old December 14th, 2012, 06:35 AM   #57

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Not guilty M'Lud.
Glad to hear it Sir.
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Von Ranke; would you have a link please?
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Von Ranke; would you have a link please?
Be glad to oblige JP :

http://www.richardiii.net
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Old December 14th, 2012, 06:52 AM   #60

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Just playing Devil's Advocate here but, is there any particular reason why somebody shouldn't post a link to any Historum discussion on other sites? It's not like they've just copy-pasted somebody's posts, it's just a link (edit - and some quotes). And Historum is afaik a public forum that anybody can view whether or not they are members.

(It wasn't me by the way!)
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