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Old February 14th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #31
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What exactly is the great of him ?
Leo III Isaurian saved Constantinople from the 2nd Arab siege of 717-718 beating them back and away from Constantinople, when they were at the peak of their power under Umayyad calliph Sulayman ibn Abd al Malic.

He also was responsible for the great victory at Acroinon where he decisevely beat the Arab forces again in 775.

He supressed a number of revolts against his rule, and IMHO he was correct in the iconoclast controversy.
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Old February 14th, 2013, 11:56 PM   #33

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Leo III Isaurian saved Constantinople from the 2nd Arab siege of 717-718 beating them back and away from Constantinople, when they were at the peak of their power under Umayyad calliph Sulayman ibn Abd al Malic.
You miss few things here like the help of Tervel, the deserting of Christians from Arab fleet to Byzantines, the hunger in both camps. Without these factors maybe we would hear the ezan in Constantinople a lot earlier than 1453.
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He also was responsible for the great victory at Acroinon where he decisevely beat the Arab forces again in 775.
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He supressed a number of revolts against his rule, and IMHO he was correct in the iconoclast controversy.
Hm that's your point of view. Let's ask Orthodox members here what do think about iconoclastism.
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Hm that's your point of view. Let's ask Orthodox members here what do think about iconoclastism.
Iconoclasm is considered a miserable heresy by the Catholics too, not only by the Orthodox.
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Iconoclasm is considered a miserable heresy by the Catholics too, not only by the Orthodox.
Yes but the point is that you can't be objective on such matter.

I'm not believer but I would say Christianity would look a lot more authentic and closer to what Jesus preached without icons, crucifixes, statues. As you see that's only opinion and sounds stupid to say that I'm right.
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Yes but the point is that you can't be objective on such matter.
Obviously, it's a matter of faith.

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I'm not believer but I would say Christianity would look a lot more authentic and closer to what Jesus preached without icons, crucifixes, statues. As you see that's only opinion and sounds stupid to say that I'm right.
They have their theological justification, and they play a very important role in devotion, as receptacles of grace. Jesus preached closeness to God, and they are means through which people are drawn closer to God. BTW, did you watch Miracle of Marcelino (Marcelino pan y vino) Marcelino pan y vino (1955) - IMDb?
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They have their theological justification, and they play a very important role in devotion, as receptacles of grace. Jesus preached closeness to God, and they are means through which people are drawn closer to God. BTW, did you watch Miracle of Marcelino (Marcelino pan y vino) Marcelino pan y vino (1955) - IMDb?
I haven't seen the film but it seems interesting although lately I'm not very interested in religions Christianity esp. Are you practicing Orthodox ?
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I haven't seen the film but it seems interesting although lately I'm not very interested in religions Christianity esp. Are you practicing Orthodox ?
You may watch it for its artistic qualities, not necessarily for its religious message. No, unfortunately not. I am Orthodox, but for the present I am a "non-practicing" one.

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You miss few things here like the help of Tervel, the deserting of Christians from Arab fleet to Byzantines,
I know about these things but I didn't go into details.

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the hunger in both camps.
The hunger was devastating in the Arab camp.
Have you heard of the Greek fire?

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Without these factors maybe we would hear the ezan in Constantinople a lot earlier than 1453.
Without also other factors from the Arab side, this whole thing would have never happened.
Have you heard of the 1st Arab siege of Constantinople under Constantine IV, where they were also beat without your aforementioned factors?

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Yes.
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Hm that's your point of view. Let's ask Orthodox members here what do think about iconoclastism.
I'm an Orthodox too!
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