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Old February 15th, 2013, 07:57 AM   #51

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I mean, ya have the expression 'Byzantine complexity', which just says it all.

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We have it on good authority that the Bulgars helped in defeating the Arabs, but whether they were actually fighting for the Byzantines is a more difficult question. Some scholars have suggested that it may have been an opportunistic attempt to take Constantinople for themselves.
That wasn't my point. What were the real attentions of Tervel no body can say but he helped and the thing is this guy who glorifies Leo III too much while neglecting the factors without which Leo III hardly could make it. He wasn't bad emperor but great .
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Old February 15th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #56
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That wasn't my point. What were the real attentions of Tervel no body can say but he helped and the thing is this guy who glorifies Leo III too much while neglecting the factors without which Leo III hardly could make it. He wasn't bad emperor but great .
Nobody can tell or assume that Tervel was the deciding factor, because we have the example of the first Arab siege where Trevel was absent and still the Arabs were beat.
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Nobody can tell or assume that Tervel was the deciding factor, because we have the example of the first Arab siege where Trevel was absent and still the Arabs were beat.
Or more. Would it surprise you to learn that we don't actually know how many Arab sieges of Constantinople there were?
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Nobody can tell or assume that Tervel was the deciding factor, because we have the example of the first Arab siege where Trevel was absent and still the Arabs were beat.
First we are talking about Leo III and the second Arab siege, please stop whining about this first siege. Nobody claims that Arab can be beat in general without Tervel's help the point is that wasn't whether Leo could beat them without the factors I mentioned.
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First we are talking about Leo III and the second Arab siege, please stop whining about this first siege.
I'm not whining about the first siege. I merely bring it as an example to counter the assumptions that you made.

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Nobody claims that Arab can be beat in general without Tervel's help the point is that wasn't whether Leo could beat them without the factors I mentioned.
I already told you before that you or anybody else for that matter is in no position to assume that Leo III wouldn't beat the Arrabs without the factors you posed; other factors may had come into play in case yours were missing; that's why I mentioned the first siege as an example, look at posts 45 & 56 above which may shed some light to your dilemma. You are missing the point.
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I already told you before that you or anybody else for that matter is in no position to assume that Leo III wouldn't beat the Arrabs without the factors you posed; other factors may had come into play in case yours were missing; that's why I mentioned the first siege as an example, look at posts 45 & 56 above which may shed some light to your dilemma. You are missing the point.
How come do you mention the first siege as an example. Were the emperors the same, were the quantity of forces the same ?
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