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Old September 6th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #71
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i believe that pinkie cleugh was the first battle in which naval gunfire was used to support ground force's....
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Old September 7th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #72

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i believe that pinkie cleugh was the first battle in which naval gunfire was used to support ground force's....
Yes this is true

I do not know if this last battle between the Kingdom of Scotland and Kingdom of England has been disscussed in the past on this forum , but aspects of it are fasinating.

The reasons for it , the fact it was medievil versus renaisance and the nature of the collusion between border horsemen from both sides .

Next week is the 500 anniversary of Flodden , there are many celebrations .

Time to consider what is best about our shared history and blood ties , and the culture often hidden

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Yes this is true

I do not know if this last battle between the Kingdom of Scotland and Kingdom of England has been disscussed in the past on this forum , but aspects of it are fasinating.

The reasons for it , the fact it was medievil versus renaisance and the nature of the collusion between border horsemen from both sides .

Next week is the 500 anniversary of Flodden , there are many celebrations .

Time to consider what is best about our shared history and blood ties , and the culture often hidden

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Indeed, the battle is of great interest, and showed the effectiveness of a combination of naval gunfire, land ordnance and, even though it had been around for a very long time by this point, the longbow.

Not sure if you've seen this, but a good article on Pinkie Cleugh is this one:

Anglo-Scottish Wars: Battle of Pinkie Cleugh

There's been a number of events this year to mark Flodden as well as the ones that will be this next week, and I believe from the BBC news that the 'Flodden flag' is making a tour of the borders.

BBC News - In pictures: Battle of Flodden flag tours the Borders
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Today is the day of the anniversary and it seemed that this brave king body of James IV had received the same measure of respect as Richard III after Bosworth.

BBC News - Battle of Flodden commemorated
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Today is the day of the anniversary and it seemed that this brave king body of James IV had received the same measure of respect as Richard III after Bosworth.

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There are some parallels in both events , but I think both were clearly brave men of their time . They were also very much victims of their age . It has been said earlier in this thread , we cannot judge using modern standards or even todays allegiances .

The likelihood of finding Richard 111 was quite remote , so the current ''find'' was a long long shot . The likelihood of finding James is even more of an outside bet .

Is there a James 1V society if not then there should be . Typically in British History (as opposed to English or Scottish) , and in keeping with the polarisation and southern bias of the UK . Scottish Kings do not get the same publicity . This is wrong and needs to be corrected .

Given that they shaped our joint history in equal measure and in some cases more so .

I can understand the mood of the time in 1513 and the huge significance of James breaking a papal edict , but in the context of today he needs a higher level of respect .

I went across there yesterday , it was quite moving and the co-operation between border towns very commendable .
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There are some parallels in both events , but I think both were clearly brave men of their time . They were also very much victims of their age . It has been said earlier in this thread , we cannot judge using modern standards or even todays allegiances .

The likelihood of finding Richard 111 was quite remote , so the current ''find'' was a long long shot . The likelihood of finding James is even more of an outside bet .

Is there a James 1V society if not then there should be . Typically in British History (as opposed to English or Scottish) , and in keeping with the polarisation and southern bias of the UK . Scottish Kings do not get the same publicity . This is wrong and needs to be corrected .

Given that they shaped our joint history in equal measure and in some cases more so .

I can understand the mood of the time in 1513 and the huge significance of James breaking a papal edict , but in the context of today he needs a higher level of respect .

I went across there yesterday , it was quite moving and the co-operation between border towns very commendable .
Too true Scottish do not get the same publicity, but I think the the way the English behaved that day it was not one of those proudest moments in English history. Its nice to hear everything was done with the utmost respect on both sides.
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