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Old March 5th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #31
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Yeah, but it was the biggest and most important part.
But only in the sense that he could raid it for money to finance his other jolly jaunts. During the time he was king, Richard I only spent about 6 months in total in England - the rest of the time he was in his other possessions or fighting a war somewhere.

It was England which raised his ransom money, thanks to his mother, Eleanor's, efforts in getting hold it it.
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But only in the sense that he could raid it for money to finance his other jolly jaunts. During the time he was king, Richard I only spent about 6 months in total in England - the rest of the time he was in his other possessions or fighting a war somewhere.

It was England which raised his ransom money, thanks to his mother, Eleanor's, efforts in getting hold it it.
Ha! Sorry. There has been a mix up on my part. I was talking about Long shanks. Richard didn't care about England. Edward did.
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Yes, agree about Edward I.
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Yes, agree about Edward I.
You agree what? that he was a psycho!

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You agree what? that he was a psycho!

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Away we ye, Gushel No - I agree he cared about England........
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Away we ye, Gushel No - I agree he cared about England........
How can anybody make that assumption ?? Edward 1 although born in England saw himself as a King overlord of what is now GB & I and all of France .

He was more French in modern terms than English . He spoke Langues d'oil , the first King to address parliament in middle English was Edward 111 and the first to claim that TOTALLY was Henry V

These Angevin monarchs no more cared about England than they did about the rest of their territory and lands .

Modern thought patterns cannot be applied to historical figures .

Edward cared about conquest, wealth , power ...he had no care about the ordinary people regardless if they were living in the British Isles , Ireland or France . He considered most of the nobility to be Norman or at best Anglo Norman including those in Scotland and France .

All of which he considered as owing subservience to him as over king

He considered the Welsh as vassal inferiors including their deposed nobility.

Whilst its pure fiction the incident with the arrows on his own troops during braveheart sums him up
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I would have to disagree then. He did see himself as King of more than just England, but England was at the heart of the Lands he ruled. Let's not act like he chose to live in Gascony.

His 'hero' was Edward the Confessor. He loved his England. The language thing kind of goes against your point. You say we can't apply modern thought patterns and you're right, yet you seem to say that was was more French because that's what he spoke. That just happened to be the language of the ruling class. I can't see anything else in your post that suggests he didn't love England. We're not talking Britain here. He did feel the Welsh needed to be controlled and the Scots owed him something, but he loved England.
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I would have to disagree then. He did see himself as King of more than just England, but England was at the heart of the Lands he ruled. Let's not act like he chose to live in Gascony.

His 'hero' was Edward the Confessor. He loved his England. The language thing kind of goes against your point. You say we can't apply modern thought patterns and you're right, yet you seem to say that was was more French because that's what he spoke. That just happened to be the language of the ruling class. I can't see anything else in your post that suggests he didn't love England. We're not talking Britain here. He did feel the Welsh needed to be controlled and the Scots owed him something, but he loved England.

Have you just got a thing about strong men mebbes?

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I would have to disagree then. He did see himself as King of more than just England, but England was at the heart of the Lands he ruled. Let's not act like he chose to live in Gascony.

His 'hero' was Edward the Confessor. He loved his England. The language thing kind of goes against your point. You say we can't apply modern thought patterns and you're right, yet you seem to say that was was more French because that's what he spoke. That just happened to be the language of the ruling class. I can't see anything else in your post that suggests he didn't love England. We're not talking Britain here. He did feel the Welsh needed to be controlled and the Scots owed him something, but he loved England.
You must have known him personally then ???

I think you will find also it was his Father that supported the veneration of Edward the Confessor .

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Interesting. You offer nothing to back up your claim that he was more French than English apart from the fact he spoke the language of the ruling class.

I offer some examples that it wasn't the case and you decide to act silly by saying 'You must have known him personally then.'

Happy to discuss this, but please come with some actual ideas to debate. Are you saying that Edward didn't care for Edward the Confessor and it was only Henry? Very interesting.
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