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Old October 27th, 2009, 04:50 AM   #11

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At that point only a divine wind would turn the tables. They sure were not waiting for the Nuclear Blast.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 06:18 AM   #12

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The mongols hurried in their attack to Japain. They ordered much warship to land the troops on Japain.

Some of the ships were not suiteable for Ocean because they were for rivers carriage.

Source Discovery Channel.
Indeed, Kublai was to impatient to invade Japan, the fleet he ordered was taking to long to built so he went on collecting all sorts of ships, many of them only suitable for sailing rivers (there is archeological evidence of this), hence I don't think you need a lot of imagination to get what happened when a typhoon passed by...
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Old October 27th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #13

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Everyone says it was a Mongol invasion, whereas most of the forces committed were in fact Chinese and Korean.
As in Europe: Everyone says Mongols but in fact the invaders were Tatars. Undoubted, their lords were the Mongols and their leader was Batu Khan.
In the nomad society, the nations got new name easily. The Tatars were defeated by the Mongols and got the winners' name. The old nomad nations disappeared. So, everyone was Mongol or used that name in this time who was ruled by the descendant of Genghis.
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As in Europe: Everyone says Mongols but in fact the invaders were Tatars. Undoubted, their lords were the Mongols and their leader was Batu Khan.
In the nomad society, the nations got new name easily. The Tatars were defeated by the Mongols and got the winners' name. The old nomad nations disappeared. So, everyone was Mongol or used that name in this time who was ruled by the descendant of Genghis.
As always: everyone a bit interested knows Mongols were made up of various groups both Mongolian and Turkic in origin, fact of the matter is they were grouped under the political entity known to us as the Mongol Empire, hence the Mongol Invasion of Europe and not 'the invasion of the blablabla consisting out of blablabla because blablabla'.
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At that point only a divine wind would turn the tables. They sure were not waiting for the Nuclear Blast.
Good point.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 01:30 PM   #16

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The mongols mainly faught with superior numbers and arrow volleys and were known world wide of thier skills with the bows, such as the huns. but the Japanese intellect and fighting prowess with the sword gave the mongols a great conflict, The samurai were dualing masters, and the Kamikaze definatly helped them with the battle. I think it was mainly Hojo's men the encountered them, but if it wasnt for the tsunami im afraid Japan might have had the fate like the rest of the countries the Mongols acquired. but the way of the samurai would not let them give in without a fight, very honorable indeed.
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Kamikaze!!!!! That divine wind has sure saved them many times!
What a good way to waste trained pilots. Yeah, that one kinda back fired on them.
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Indeed, Kublai was to impatient to invade Japan, the fleet he ordered was taking to long to built so he went on collecting all sorts of ships, many of them only suitable for sailing rivers (there is archeological evidence of this), hence I don't think you need a lot of imagination to get what happened when a typhoon passed by...
Yes they paid for their impatiency. Greath shame for their fame.
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What a good way to waste trained pilots. Yeah, that one kinda back fired on them.

Running completely out of trained pilots at that time. That was kinda the point.
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Running completely out of trained pilots at that time. That was kinda the point.
You mean they intended to waste their best pilots? Kamikaze attacks were pretty sucessful at first.
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