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Old May 16th, 2016, 03:35 PM   #1
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A possible Semitic origin for ancient Zimbabwe


Ancient Zimbabwe and the Lemba

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Almost universally accepted amongst contemporary scholars is the opinion that the ancient ruins known as Great Zimbabwe (in what was formerly Rhodesia) – radiocarbon dated to around 1300 AD must have been created by the ancestors of the Shona, who today inhabit northern and eastern Zimbabwe. However, this theory was challenged in the 1950s and 1960s by several scholars, including Robert Gayre, the founder of The Mankind Quarterly, who argued that there was no sound evidence that the Shona had ever built with stone. Instead, his suggestion was that this massive finely cut stone structure, and certain lesser stone ruins in the area, were probably constructed by the ancestors of the present day Lemba, a people who are at least partly descended from Semitic trader-adventurers who had travelled down the east coast of Africa in search of gold and other potential exports. The Lemba, Gayre maintained, are distinguished from the Shona by certain physical and cultural qualities that suggested genetic and cultural admixture with Semites. It is argued that modern genetic testing offers a measure of support for this thesis.
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However, according to de Barros (1552 - see McCall-Theal VI, pp. 267-268), in the early 1500s the people living in Great Zimbabwe had absolutely no idea as to who might have built it, saying instead that it must have been ‘the work of the devil’, adding that ‘it just did not seem possible that [the stone structures] should be the work of man’. At that time – according to a report received from Moorish merchants – the building was guarded by a ‘nobleman’ who was looking after some of the wives of the country’s ruler, Benomotapa. Thus, an alternative possible scenario has been proposed (Gayre, 1972; Mullan 1969; Murdock, 1959; Hall and Neal, 1902) suggesting that the original civilization might have been created by (or under the direction of) people of Semitic stock, only to be conquered (perhaps as early as 1350) by Bantu tribes.
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The current 'consensus' in academic circles is that the ancient Zimbabwean civilization was created by Shona-speaking people – based on the fact that in recent decades nothing whatsoever has been published to support the alternative (Semitic-based) theory. However, after the identification – in the late 1990s – of Jewish DNA in the Lembas, it is now appropriate to reopen the debate.
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Semitic or not the Zimbabwe ruins were developed by indigenous Africans despite their admixture. And there is no evidence the Lemba themselves did this. Even so they are still African and Semitic is Northeast-African in ethno-genesis so don't see the point in debating this. No White or near looking White people built those structures.
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LOL @ this nonsense. The source is the Mankind Quarterly a white supremacist journal.
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Semitic or not the Zimbabwe ruins were developed by indigenous Africans despite their admixture. And there is no evidence the Lemba themselves did this. Even so they are still African and Semitic is Northeast-African in ethno-genesis so don't see the point in debating this. No White or near looking White people built those structures.
Concur. If you look the Great Zimbabwe is similar to structures you can find in other places in Africa, the style is consistent with other unmistakable Africa structures.

Is amazing how long since discredited ideas are still around. The Semitic origin of the Great Zimbabwe ruins were proven wrong many decades ago, at least since the early to mid 20th century, yet the idea is still around.

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The first scientific archaeological excavations at the site were undertaken by David Randall-MacIver for the British Association in 19051906. In Medieval Rhodesia, he wrote of the existence in the site of objects that were of Bantu origin ....In mid 1929 Gertrude Caton-Thompson concluded, after a twelve-day visit of a three-person team and the digging of several trenches, that the site was indeed created by Bantu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
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Concur. If you look the Great Zimbabwe is similar to structures you can find in other places in Africa, the style is consistent with other unmistakable Africa structures.

Is amazing how long since discredited ideas are still around. The Semitic origin of the Great Zimbabwe ruins were proven wrong many decades ago, at least since the early to mid 20th century, yet the idea is still around.

The OP is troll. They closed one of his threads. What about the other two? This one and the one on the Islands are equally racist. Still available to post on......This is not scholarship. Why this thread is still open I don't know.

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However, after the identification in the late 1990s of Jewish DNA in the Lembas, it is now appropriate to reopen the debate.
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