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Old January 9th, 2017, 05:02 AM   #21
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Bashar al-Assad is a hero, defending his country and people against terrorism and the West.
I don't know which country you are from. I think Assad defends a part of his country and people.
Fact is that there are citizens who have been attacked by Assad and for that I think you can not call him a hero, in my opinion.

My question is could you explain me why you think Assad is a hero and why the West is so bad?
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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:19 AM   #22

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The roots of the current problems in the Middle East date back to the European colonial period and the Cold War, including the creation of Israel, the bolstering of the Sauds, the overthrow of Mossdadegh, the support for muslim extremism and jihadism, etc.
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What is more important for the current problems: the fall of Saddam or the Arabic spring?
North Korea might actually outweigh the Iraqi issue, or perhaps Russia Ukraine, or Israel Palestine outweighs the Iraq issue.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:37 AM   #24

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Old January 9th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #26

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The roots of the current problems in the Middle East date back to the European colonial period and the Cold War, including the creation of Israel, the bolstering of the Sauds, the overthrow of Mossdadegh, the support for muslim extremism and jihadism, etc.
I'd have thought they ultimately date back to some fella called Jesus and then another one called Mohammed.
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Old January 24th, 2017, 10:48 PM   #27

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Two months before USA invaded Iraq, George Bush wasn't even aware of a Sunni-Shia divide in Islam. The Baath party in Iraq was responsible for a lot of jobs in public services, so banning it caused a lot of people to lose their jobs and rendered them unable to find work, even though some of them may not have even joined it for ideological reasons.

Whatever you think of America's decision to overthrow Saddam, it seemed like they didn't really understand how Iraqi society functioned and they may have underestimated the response of neighbouring countries who would've been edgy about Americans on their doorstep. A lack of local knowledge really did exacerbate things.

Although like others have said, problems in the Middle East have existed way before 2003.
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Two months before USA invaded Iraq, George Bush wasn't even aware of a Sunni-Shia divide in Islam. The Baath party in Iraq was responsible for a lot of jobs in public services, so banning it caused a lot of people to lose their jobs and rendered them unable to find work, even though some of them may not have even joined it for ideological reasons.

Whatever you think of America's decision to overthrow Saddam, it seemed like they didn't really understand how Iraqi society functioned and they may have underestimated the response of neighbouring countries who would've been edgy about Americans on their doorstep. A lack of local knowledge really did exacerbate things.
It's well known that it was merely a war-only plan and what followed was fairly catastrophic. Whilst I wouldn't expect a President to necessarily be an avid student of islam, it's up to these people to surround themselves with people who know what they are talking about, so they can give the president good advice.

Unfortunately the office of President is often just a vehicle to give jobs to your mates. Whether they have any talent or not ...........................
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It's well known that it was merely a war-only plan and what followed was fairly catastrophic. Whilst I wouldn't expect a President to necessarily be an avid student of islam, it's up to these people to surround themselves with people who know what they are talking about, so they can give the president good advice.
Shrub surrounded himself with neocons and allowed Wolfowitz to talk him into invading Iraq. In theory, the neocons were smart people but they were totally misguided. They, and shrub remained confident of what they were planning despite opposition from academics who knew much better. What it all boils down to is democracy. You don't get elected by being wise and knowledgable.

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The problem wasn't lack of talent per se but a screwed up agenda.
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Shrub surrounded himself with neocons and allowed Wolfowitz to talk him into invading Iraq. In theory, the neocons were smart people but they were totally misguided. They, and shrub remained confident of what they were planning despite opposition from academics who knew much better. What it all boils down to is democracy. You don't get elected by being wise and knowledgable.

The problem wasn't lack of talent per se but a screwed up agenda.
This is what went wrong, but democracy itself isn't what went wrong; instead, it's corruptible government agendas, as opposed to a genuine interest in doing what right. In doing what's right, we need advisors or administrators whom understand the ethical obligations behind our decisions. It involves a screwed up agenda that placed our self absorbed interests above the people who might suffer the consequences.
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