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Old December 31st, 2016, 03:09 PM   #1

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pre-Islamic Arabs more negroid or caucasiod ?


Race and history are very well connected, in such way, you cannot discuss history without mentioning Race/ethnicity.

Negroid, Caucasiod, Mongoliod, is very well established facts in biology.
It doesn't determine skin colors precisely, as the main factor is the shape of the skull, and bones.
Even in crime scenes, a person could know whether the victim is negroid, Caucasiod, or Mongoliod by looking at his skull alone. Still in use today.


I tried to look for ancient Roman depictings of Arabs :

Two North Arabian (Ishmaelite) merchants with two camels, and a Roman buyer with a child(?)
The Arabs depicted wearing no shirts, with long smooth/wavy hair and bridged kinda hooked noses.

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Yemeni king, Dhamar Ali :

A Yemeni king that we actually have his artifact and know his name
His facial features are in match with today Arabians

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Yemeni Sabaean soldier:

The artifact photo was taken by my Kuwaiti forumer friend in the Kuwaiti museum
This bronze soldier, for me is another best example of Arab facial features
His big head shape is pure Yemeni resemblance.

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Another Yemeni Sabaean soldier :

He also have this big head shape, which is pure Yemeni resemblance.

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Old December 31st, 2016, 06:31 PM   #2

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Oh boy. A poster who is haunted and terrorized by the idea of his culture being related to Africans. Give it a rest!
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Oh boy. A poster who is haunted and terrorized by the idea of his culture being related to Africans. Give it a rest!
Don't take it personally

I opened this thread to have a free discussion about Pre Islamic Arabians phenotypes
As I said earlier you can't discuss History without mentioning Race/ethnicity
If we gather enough information from various sources, artifacts, or some paintings, we could reach a better understanding about their lives, facial traits, and culture ..

Let's be honest, there is kinda of whispering idea, I don't know where it comes from. But it exists.
And you can't turn a blind eye for it, especially if it is your "culture".

if you have some opinions in that matter please don't hesitate to share your information.

Anyway there's an interesting find in UAE this year, or last year.

It was one of the oldest mentioning of Oman kingdom 200 B.C Strangely it's in UAE, but if you think about it, UAE was part of the greater pre islamic Oman.

I will leave you with the findings :

Pre islamic Fort, and probably the king palace
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handle with a woman face

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Incense burner with human faces

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Same as post-islamic arabs one would imagine. Unless there was some overnight transformation.
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Same as post-islamic arabs one would imagine. Unless there was some overnight transformation.
Or the Islamic slave trade.
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Or the Islamic slave trade.
Where are these slaves coming from?
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Where are these slaves coming from?
From the kingdoms and people south and west of Ethiopia (Like Damot, Ennarea, Kaffa), from Somalia and the Swahili city states. Sometimes also Christian Ethiopians and Nubians were captured and sold.
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Race and history are very well connected, in such way, you cannot discuss history without mentioning Race/ethnicity.
Sometimes it is not the question of mentioning the “race”, the “ethnicity”, or the “skin colour”, it is the consequences and illations that people want to extract from that. Usually end in saying “A” was/is better than “B”.

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Same as post-islamic arabs one would imagine. Unless there was some overnight transformation.
That is my idea. People can change religion quite quickly, changing their own “race” can be more difficult! Well, we can always say that they belonged to the human race.

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Or the Islamic slave trade.
I have the idea that the Islamic slave trade was kind of “inherited”, and then developed. In other words it already existed in the region before the appearance of the prophet Mahomet, and eventually developed with the Islamic conquests. But I can be wrong on this idea. Please someone correct me if have information about the subject.

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Where are these slaves coming from?
Africa? Asia? Europe? All non Islamic areas. In the first centuries the Slavs seemed to have a huge weight! Probably we will never know the numbers.

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From the kingdoms and people south and west of Ethiopia (Like Damot, Ennarea, Kaffa), from Somalia and the Swahili city states. Sometimes also Christian Ethiopians and Nubians were captured and sold.
Wasn’t there an intense commerce with India, and raids in the Middle East (Anatolia and Persia)?

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I have the idea that the Islamic slave trade was kind of “inherited”, and then developed. In other words it already existed in the region before the appearance of the prophet Mahomet, and eventually developed with the Islamic conquests. But I can be wrong on this idea. Please someone correct me if have information about the subject.
Already before Islam there was a black presence in Arabia, though I don't know to what extend. In the early Islamic times it became quite common to have entire armies consisting of black slaves, also in Arabia. Don't think something like that existed before Islam. We must also consider the higher demand of African slaves since Islam has spread to the entire Middle East.
The Africans were at first shiped to Arabia, Yemen to be particular, where they would continue their travel towards Iran and India. In India several blacks managed to build a considerable amount of influence btw. Some even managed to become Sultans. Today they are represented by the Siddi community.
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Already before Islam there was a black presence in Arabia, though I don't know to what extend. In the early Islamic times it became quite common to have entire armies consisting of black slaves, also in Arabia. Don't think something like that existed before Islam. We must also consider the higher demand of African slaves since Islam has spread to the entire Middle East.
The Africans were at first shiped to Arabia, Yemen to be particular, where they would continue their travel towards Iran and India. In India several blacks managed to build a considerable amount of influence btw. Some even managed to become Sultans. Today they are represented by the Siddi community.
The preIslamic presence of Blacks in Yemen was the result of the Axumite invasion and occupation of Yemen. The two kings in.question would be Ezana and King Caleb.

I am not sure how Blacks would end up as the slaves in such a relationship. Well to be honest, after the Persians defeated the Axumite garisson located in Ethiopia, the Blacks there were reduced to seevitude. However, the idea that Blacks in preIslamic Arabia were there primarily as a result of an ancient trade slave is not supported by anything we know about the history of that region.
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