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Old January 3rd, 2017, 12:05 PM   #1
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Is there any descendants of the Omayyad tribe today?


Hello, if i'm correct there are alot of Alids and abbasids descendants living today, but I wonder if there are surviving descendants of the first leaders of the Califate, or maybe from the Omayyads of Cordoba?

A lot of them were killed by abbasids during the revolution and a lot also died during the fitna of Al-andalus so what happened to them?
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Old January 4th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #2
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i've heard about families claiming descent from Othman ibn Affan (r.a.). But i'm not too familiar with the Arab genealogy resources so i don't know how authentic or well documented are the modern claims. I can also imagine having other living descendants of Umayya ibn Abd Shams, the forefather of the Banu Umayya, but maybe not from the later ruling Sufyanid and Marwanid lines.

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Old January 4th, 2017, 02:04 AM   #3

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Hello, if i'm correct there are alot of Alids and abbasids descendants living today, but I wonder if there are surviving descendants of the first leaders of the Califate, or maybe from the Omayyads of Cordoba?

A lot of them were killed by abbasids during the revolution and a lot also died during the fitna of Al-andalus so what happened to them?
'Omeya' (Umayyad) were merely a ruling family, which was extended by all hangers-on, client families and ruling class arabs who worked in the regime. Not a tribe.

Personally I'm not convinced by the long-lost Omeya story of Abderraman I landing out the blue Med at Almuneca, who just also happened to be a great man at unifying a chaotic and bloody Spain and a fantastic talker. All his family were dead. He could have easily been anybody - if you wanted to take over a country claiming to be the long lost last Omeya is a great way to go about it, with such a thing being worthy of immense status.

Indeed during the Taifa periods there are cases of people claiming Omeya decent in order to gain/enforce status, which when traced back turn out to be of berber descent.

Claiming Omeya descent was very important to the 'masses'.

So the answer is yes, they are all out there somewhere, merged in the mists of time.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 11:18 AM   #4
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Kona family from the town Kayalpatnam in the southern region of India claiming as the descendants of Ummayad.

To know the history of Kayalpatnam, please click the below link
Concise History of Kayalpatnam


According to Kona Abu Bakr Miskeen Sahib and other family members, Kona family was earlier called by the people as "Marwan Kootam" (in Tamil) - The people of Marwan Al Umavi.

The last Umayyad Khalifa, Marwan II was defeated in the battle of Great Zab. Marwan fled, leaving Damascus, Jordan, Palestine and reaching Egypt, where he was caught and killed on August 6, 750. At this battle alone, over 300 members of the Umayyad family were killed by Abbasids. Some of the family members left Syria and escaped to Egypt, Eritrea and Spain.

It is believed that some of the Umayyad family members migrated to Kayal along with many other immigrants during the rule of Abbasid caliph Al-Multhazim (841 A.D.).

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Since there are still descendants of Prophet Muhammad himself, not only in the Arabian lands but also even in places like SEA, I wud be inclined to believe that there also still survive descendants of any Islamic family or dynasty later than his time.

In Malaysia, Muhammad's descendants carry the title 'Syed' (for a male) or 'Sharifah' (for a female), with that title carried along only the male line. The men wud also often carry an Arabic sounding family name. For example, Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary, a prominent Malay Malaysian figure on the Malaysian corporate scene.

While King Abdullah of Jordan is said to be like a 37th or 38th linear descendant of the Prophet.

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Old June 23rd, 2017, 01:02 AM   #6

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All his family were dead....claiming to be the long lost last Omeya
excuse me, but where exactly did you derive your notion from? I'm genuinely interested.

Umayyads at the time of the Abbasids revolution were numerous, despite the brutalitly of the first Abbasids. they didn't cease to exist like you assume, in fact they were in Yemen, south of Mecca, Al-Maghreb, and even Iran. they always kept low profile and some of them didn't.

for instance; such as Abu Al-Faraj Al-isfahani, he was direct descendant of the last caliph Marwan ll. he kept up a correspondence with the Umayyads in Al-Andalus and have sent them some of his works.
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