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Old March 2nd, 2017, 02:32 PM   #31

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wow, this thread is possessed with historical misappropriation beyond belief. People making assumptions and building off of them to create some mass hysteria. I'm mainly talking about that troll who breathes propaganda.

Armenians accepted Christianity in 301 AD as the national religion by order of the Armenian Kind Trdat.

Armenia fought the Persians to retain their religion in 450ish AD. The war was won and Armenia sustained their independence.

It helped, at the time, that they had neighboring allies of faith. Georgia and Byzantium.

During Mamluk invasions and the first Crusades, Armenia aligned with Mongols, before the Seljuk. Some decipher the relationship as a vassalage to the Mongols and it could have very well been.

Seljuks take the land, are repelled by the crusades, then Osman conquered Constantinople and hence began the Ottoman empire.

The Ottoman Empire allowed other religions to be practiced. Although Christians and Jews were second class citizens and paid higher taxes, they were not forced to convert to Islam. In fact, there were many villages of ancient Armenian lands that had Mosques and Churches built almost right next to each other.

Sultan Hamid, aka the red sultan, was very nervous that the Christian Armenians were asking for reform for better treatment within the empire. He was also of the ideology of a pan-Turkic/Muslim nation. Thus the Hamidian massacres if 1894 murdering up to 300,000 Armenians to "teach them a lesson".

Yet their Christianity remained in tact.

Then you had the Balkan rebellions on 1912 and 1913, the Ottoman's suffered huge losses and were defeated. The scare that the Armenians, the major Christian population in the east of their empire, would follow the example of the Balkan states and rebel.

But with the Young Turks overthrew the Sultanship... i guess you can call it that? They praised of a unified empire for all religions... until 1915. Yes, the genocide, if you call it anything else you are a fool. It is beyond reasonable doubt.

Anyway, I digress. Soviet Armenia challenged Christianity as well, massacring millions of Christians.

Yet here I am. A Christian Armenian.

“I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose wars have all been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, literature is unread, music is unheard, and prayers are no more answered. Go ahead, destroy Armenia . See if you can do it. Send them into the desert without bread or water. Burn their homes and churches. Then see if they will not laugh, sing and pray again. For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a New Armenia.” - William Saroyan
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Old October 24th, 2017, 06:19 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by greatstreetwarrior View Post
and how did they not Turkify or Persianize either considering such strong chances of assimilation with always stronger powers around?

How did these areas survive Mongolian invasions?
In regards to Arabization:
Strictly speaking no one underwent Arabization as no one in the region speaks Fos7a. Why would it be any different for the Armenians and Georgians?

Even though Turks ruled the entire region, the spread of the Turkish language is only limited to Azarbaijan and Turkey (exluding Kordestan which makes up a huge fraction of the population in those areas). Armenians and Georgians just like most others didn't undergo Turkification.

No one besides Iranic peoples are truely Persianized. Armenia and Georgia are not Iranic countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikestan and hence Armenia and Georgia aren't Persianized.

I can't explain why they didn't convert to Eslam but I'm glad they didn't bcos I like having Christian countries in that part of the world. Besides, I can't imagine the Levant, Iraq and Iran without Armenian communites.
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