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Old February 23rd, 2017, 10:06 AM   #1
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Did Atatürk ruin Turkey


Do you think that Atatürk ruined Turkey? In your opinion do you think after the decline of the Ottoman Empire that Turkey suffered under the rule of Atatürk. I am talking economically, and on the world stage. I believe that in my opinion Atatürk did more damage to Turkey then he did, besides establishing the Republic, but besides that I think that his Kemalist idea was a failure. Thus we are seeing that more and more in Modern Turkey under the reign of Erdogan that people do not want Kemalist they want Osmanli. Thus the CHP has declined and MHP/AK Parti as they are very closely related are on the raise. Personally I do not like the kemalist idea, and I personally support AK Parti, and think they have done a lot more for the country then the CHP and Kemalist ideology. What are your opinions.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 10:10 AM   #2

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Ataturk built Turkey.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 10:26 AM   #3

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Ataturk introduced secularism into Turkey, he preserved the country's independence, he modernized Turkey with his reforms (Latin alphabet, women's rights etc). Turkey was known as Europe's Sick Man for centuries before Ataturk stopped the decline. I think some of his policies were questionable, but he was generally a great leader. He pulled Turkey out of its decline and created a modern nation-state.
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How do you think that he built Turkey? When the economy struggled under his rule?
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Ataturk introduced secularism into Turkey, he preserved the country's independence, he modernized Turkey with his reforms (Latin alphabet, women's rights etc). Turkey was known as Europe's Sick Man for centuries before Ataturk stopped the decline. I think some of his policies were questionable, but he was generally a great leader. He pulled Turkey out of its decline and created a modern nation-state.
He tried to westernize Turkey though going from Latin alphabet was more to get rid of Islamic influence on the language. Also women's rights don't you think that is questionable. As under his secularism women who wore hijab struggled, and were scrutinized and tormented by the people who follower Mustafa Kemal?
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How do you think that he built Turkey? When the economy struggled under his rule?
Without Ataturk, Turkey would be partitioned as the Sevres treaty outlined. There would be no Turkey as we know it today. His reforms still impact Turkish society.

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This was Turkish before Ataturk. And why is it wrong to put religion under state control? Then it can be used by the state for progress. He didn't ban Islam, he just promoted secularism and Turkish nationalism.
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^ The script there is almost same as Urdu.


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Old February 23rd, 2017, 12:47 PM   #8
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Without Ataturk, Turkey would be partitioned as the Sevres treaty outlined. There would be no Turkey as we know it today. His reforms still impact Turkish society.

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This was Turkish before Ataturk. And why is it wrong to put religion under state control? Then it can be used by the state for progress. He didn't ban Islam, he just promoted secularism and Turkish nationalism.
But he was extreme in the secularism almost radical. Changed the Adhan from Arabic to Turkish got rid of all the Qurans and they could only be printed in Turkish. You were not aloud to wear Islamic clothing, and you had to wear western Clothing. He tried to draw a line between Kurd and Turk. Also look what he did to Said Nursi. Also any Imam that preached against Ataturk reform was hung. Look at how many scholars this man killed. He was an extremist in secularism. Even in Bosnia they never did the Adhan in Bosnian. People would not stand for it. Also Ataturk forbid the hijab in school, what does wearing a hijab have to do with studying. It is a women's right to wear hijab if they so choose. You could not wear Turban or Fez, what does this have to do with anything. Some of Ataturks policies made no sense. Secondly I really do not believe the economy flourish under him I will post something showing this. Not really until under the reign of Gül and Erdoğan did the economy of Turkey, and Turkey as a nation actually become strong. At the time of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire (see Economy of the Ottoman Empire) during World War I and the subsequent birth of the Republic, the Turkish economy was underdeveloped: agriculture depended on outmoded techniques and poor-quality livestock, and Turkey's industrial base was weak; the few factories producing basic products such as sugar and flour were under foreign control as a result of the capitulations.
Turkey's economy recovered remarkably once hostilities ceased. From 1923 to 1926, agricultural output rose by eighty-seven percent, as agricultural production returned to pre-war levels. Industry and services grew at more than nine percent per year from 1923 to 1929; however, their share of the economy remained quite low at the end of the decade. The government stepped in during the early 1930s to promote economic recovery, following a doctrine known as etatism. Growth slowed during the worst years of the depression, except between 1935 and 1939 when it reached six percent per year. During the 1940s, the economy stagnated, in large part because maintaining armed neutrality during World War II increased the country's military expenditures while almost entirely curtailing foreign trade. Turkey's economy recovered remarkably once hostilities ceased. From 1923 to 1926, agricultural output rose by 87 percent, as agricultural production returned to prewar levels. Industry and services grew at more than 9 percent per year from 1923 to 1929; however, their share of the economy remained quite low at the end of the decade. By 1930, as a result of the world depression, external markets for Turkish agricultural exports had collapsed, causing a sharp decline in national income. The government stepped in during the early 1930s to promote economic recovery, following a doctrine known as etatism (see Glossary). Growth slowed during the worst years of the depression but between 1935 and 1939 reached 6 percent per year. During the 1940s, the economy stagnated, in large part because maintaining armed neutrality during World War II increased the country's military expenditures while almost entirely curtailing foreign trade. Your facts are probably CHP and Kemalist propaganda when in reality in the world stage Turkey struggled. Now from the time of Gül to now the time of Erdoğan we are now the 18th strongest economy in the world. We now sit at the world table as a strong country. Thanks to AK Parti Turkey is now powerful again, and CHP is a joke thus is seen in the last elections, and the Kemalist idea was nothing but a joke.

  • 2005 – 1 U.S. dollar = 1.29 new Turkish lira (The use of New Turkish lira, which drops 6 zeros from the currency Turkish lira, was implemented in 2005)
  • 2010 – 1 U.S. dollar = 1.55 Turkish lira
  • 2012 – 1 U.S. dollar = 1.80 Turkish lira (average)
  • 2014 – 1 U.S. dollar = 2.09 Turkish lira (average)
  • 2015 – 1 U.S. dollar = 2.62 Turkish lira (average)
  • 2015 (late September) – 1 U.S. dollar = 3.00 Turkish lira (average)
  • 2015 (November) – 1 U.S. dollar = 2.85 Turkish lira (average)
  • 2016 (November) – 1.U.S. dollar = 3.44 Turkish lira (average)
This is what AK Parti has done for Turkey. #EVET
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Tahir, do you know what tevriye is? It is a figure of speech employed in the Ottoman poetry abundantly. It is called double-entendre in English. Our beloved Ottoman poet Nef'i has the perfect example to it for a man, named Tahir, who called Nef'i a dog:

tahir efendi bana kelp demiş
iltifatı bu sözde zahirdir,
maliki mezhebim benim zira,
itikadımca kelp tahirdir.

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I see aktrolls. I see aktrolls. I see aktrolls. Everywhere.

Tahir?

Tahir, do you know what tevriye is? It is a figure of speech employed in the Ottoman poetry abundantly. It is called double-entendre in English. Our beloved Ottoman poet Nef'i has the perfect example to it for a man, named Tahir, who called Nef'i a dog:

tahir efendi bana kelp demiş
iltifatı bu sözde zahirdir,
maliki mezhebim benim zira,
itikadımca kelp



Türkiye’nin yarınında artık Kemalizme ve Kemalizm benzeri rejimlere yer yoktur. Kemalizmin yeniden kendini üretmesi söz konusu değildir. Bizim için en üst belirleyici, İslam’ın ilkeleridir. Her şey ona göre belirlenir.
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