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Old May 17th, 2017, 12:00 AM   #1
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Did the arabs use force to force any people to convert to Islam? Does the persians ha


Did the arabs use force to force any people to convert to Islam? Does the persians have been allowed to continue to believe in zoroastrianism? If so, why did so many zoroastrianism worshippers leave Persia and become the other peoples of central Asia?

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Is it because the persians have rebelled against the Arabic empire many times, so zoroastrianism worshippers has been persecuted?
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Non Muslims had to pay as much as half their money to the Muslims, and there were all kinds of restrictions of non Muslims. False claims by Muslims to the contrary, there was a lot of pressure to convert, even if they weren't "forced to". Being a non Muslim in a Muslim society is like being an African American during the pre Civil Rights Jim Crow South. You were allowed to live, have your own schools, etc., as long as you accepted your inferior station in scoiety. The only difference it was possible to give in to Muslim pressure and escape all that by converting to Islam
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Did the arabs use force to force any people to convert to Islam? Does the persians have been allowed to continue to believe in zoroastrianism? If so, why did so many zoroastrianism worshippers leave Persia and become the other peoples of central Asia?
Islam has a history of more than a 1000 years, and the Islamized Arabs reached to many corners of the word. In all those years, in all those regions, we saw conversions due to several motifs: religious motifs, forced motifs and economic motifs.

I don’t know much about Persia, but in general terms the Islamization of Middle East, North Africa, and the south of the Iberian Peninsula was slow and gradual. To the point that even in the 20th century there were important Christian and Jews communities in these regions.

The forced conversions would happen in period of extreme religious Zeal. For instance for the Maghreb and the South of the Iberian Peninsula the Almohads became known for their strict religious views and intolerance and forces conversions, while in the Iberian Peninsula the Taifas were usually much more relaxed in religious matters.

Apart from that zeal periods, I would say that the conversions would be mostly economic, since the other religions would be heavily taxed.
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Being a non Muslim in a Muslim society is like being an African American during the pre Civil Rights Jim Crow South.
We posted almost at the same time. But probably that is not the best analogy, especially if you are talking to a person that seems that it is not from the USA.
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Did the arabs use force to force any people to convert to Islam?
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TO escape muslim conversion , persecution and mass murders.


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It is important to note that Muslims did not treat all other religions equally. Both Christianity and Judaism were and are considered to be “people of the book” which means that they essentially all stem from the same core doctrine laid out in the torah and bible. Although, Muslims do not consider Jesus to be divine. They do consider him to be an important prophet. However, this did not really extend to many other religions. Pagans, for example, were probably treated the worst out of all the other religions. I don't think there are any substantial pagan communities in the middle east today that have survived the last 2000 years. You could probably say the same for europe though.
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It is important to note that Muslims did not treat all other religions equally. Both Christianity and Judaism were and are considered to be “people of the book” which means that they essentially all stem from the same core doctrine laid out in the torah and bible. Although, Muslims do not consider Jesus to be divine. They do consider him to be an important prophet. However, this did not really extend to many other religions. Pagans, for example, were probably treated the worst out of all the other religions. I don't think there are any substantial pagan communities in the middle east today that have survived the last 2000 years. You could probably say the same for europe though.
Muslims really didn't care much for that distinction apart eventually on a theological debate , because they massacrated both Christians, Jews , Zorohastrians, Hindu, Buddhist and anyonelse that didn't align to their vision.
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Did the arabs use force to force any people to convert to Islam? Does the persians have been allowed to continue to believe in zoroastrianism? If so, why did so many zoroastrianism worshippers leave Persia and become the other peoples of central Asia?
Depends on which time period one is discussing. Some Muslim leaders of history such as Ismail of Morocco are more comparable to Mongol or viking leaders..

https://www.britannica.com/biography...ler-of-Morocco

In terms of military talent...Ismail was one of the greatest of all time earning the respect of European Christians in battle. Ismail was a great warrior right up there with Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great..

https://www.britannica.com/biography...ler-of-Morocco

That being said The fourth Rashidun Caliph Ali is sited by modern day Shia Muslims fighting ISIL as a Muslim leader who viewed non Muslims as equals...t goes even further they say that Christians fought under Ali contrary to the view that non Muslims have always been second class citizens in all Muslim majority lands.. Ali literally said that non Muslims are equals in creation... And its that type of unity that earns Shia Muslims the utter hatred of ISIL..ISIL members can not stand it when Muslims whom fight ISIL cite Quranic evidence as to why non Muslims are equal to Muslims..

Therefore I have made this Covenant with them on my behalf, as well as on behalf of all tribes of Islam shall prevail, and the doctrine of Christianity shall continue.

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[SIZE="3"]And the scale of taxation fixed by me for those nobles should be strictly adhered to. No demand should be made from the beyond what was already written down and sanctioned. They should not be molested or oppressed. Their country should not be taken from them. They should not be alienated from their country. The priests should not be converted from Christianity. The monks and hermits should not be disturbed in their solitudes, nor removed from their monasteries. Their preachers should not be prohibited to preach. Their habitations and their hereditary lands should not be devastated. Nobody should remove or to pull down the bells from the steeples of their Churches. This is the law which I have made for them. But, those who shall infringe my Covenant, by disobeying my behests, shall be transgressors of the ordinance of God, and shall suffer severe punishments and eternal penalties.

Let no crowned head or man of authority of the Muslims or believers compel the Christians to profess the religion of Muslims.[
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https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/20...ns-of-armenia/

Persian Muslim history may interest you. Iranian/Persian Muslims do not have a ban on depictions of Muhammad...in many a way Iranian/Persian Muslims are similar to European Catholics.
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Zoroastrians migrated to India in two waves, one in 7th century escaping Arab persecution and second in 18th escaping persecution from Qajar Dynasty. The Hindus were persecuted from the time of Muhammad bin Qasim landed in Sindh to the time of Razakar militias of Nizam of Hyderabad in 1948.
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