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Old August 5th, 2017, 07:53 AM   #11

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People had the right to do what they wanted, women had more rights, businesses were booming, many expatriates living in Iran, there wasn't terrorism and tit for tat Sharia laws. The only ones that were prosecuted were religious fanatics and Islamists.
Left-wing thinkers and activists, republicans were prosecuted as well by the Shah's regime as well.

Terrorism is also comparatively rare in Iran today, specially when compared with other countries in the region, and surprisingly, when compared to some European countries such as UK and France.
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Terrorism is also comparatively rare in Iran today, specially when compared with other countries in the region, and surprisingly, when compared to some European countries such as UK and France.
I think the reason might be the fact that Iranians are Shiites.
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There are many reasons for this. First of all, I think Americans did not do enough to support Shah Reza Pahlavi at the time. Shah wanted to raise prices of oil and to establish a different relation with the West and the US. Iran at the time was very developed economically, very liberal and open to foreign investments like no other country in the region. If it had continued like that, no doubt Iran would become the most advanced country in the region and probably surpass some other countries who are also American allies. It was easier for Americans to allow The Islamic Revolution to happen and then isolate Iran by imposing sanctions and other measures and by doing that hinder the further development of the country than to negotiate a new business deal.


Shah Pahlavi had made one big mistake too. He desperately wanted to modernise Iran and silence the religious clerics, that he pushed all religious people back into the rural areas of the country, where they lived very modestly with only basic things available to them and a poor infrastructure, while on the other hand we had the rather secular behaving elite loyal to the Pahlavi dinasty that had everything in abundance and access to all the amenities. All that angered the disadvantaged and under such circumstances, it wasn't hard for Khomeini to gain support from the people.
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I was reading something that when the Ayatollah died there was a mob who went to his coffin at the funeral procession and seized the coffin and tore off pieces of his clothing for relics. The security had to call off the funeral and schedule it for another day with increased security.

It looks like there we a significant number of people with fanatical devotion to him.
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It was easier for Americans to allow The Islamic Revolution to happen.

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do you think they could have stopped it?
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Left-wing thinkers and activists, were prosecuted as well by the Shah's regime as well.

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as well as fighting a fairly vicious underground/street war with the Islamist faction. I believe Ahmedinajad cut his teeth in these struggles.
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do you think they could have stopped it?

Shah was about to imprison Khomeini but the French government said that if Iran agrees, Khomeini could live in exile in France. Shah agreed hoping that would alleviate the situation and keep Iran free of the Khomeini's influence. That was a mistake, as Khomeini used France as a base to plot against Iran and eventually topple the Shah.


I'm not sure if Americans could have stopped the Islamic Revolution, but they did not try to do anything to help Shah. We know that when America wants something, they put so much effort into achieving their goal.


America has failed to help Shah even after he was toppled. The Pahlavi's had to live like travellers and move from country to country just because of the American reluctance to help them. Only after the Shah passed away due to illness, Farah and the children were allowed to come and settle down in the states.
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as well as fighting a fairly vicious underground/street war with the Islamist faction. I believe Ahmedinajad cut his teeth in these struggles.
I actually never heard much about that. Care to elaborate, please?
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I actually never heard much about that. Care to elaborate, please?
I'll see what I can find- I orginally heard about that in a paper given in a postgraduate seminar at Birmingham Uni, about 16 years ago.
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One good thing about The Shah was that he made women equal or nearly equal in his society and many people chose to live Western lives, with westernized clothes and customs which was swept away when the Ayatollah came to power.

Imagine Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church taking over your country in a dictatorial position and out goes all the westernization, out comes the black clothes for the women who are repressed under his regime mightally.

I cannot blame the Iranians too much, and I do not blame them to be pissed off at America. In 1954, the United States and the UK overthrew their democratically elected prime minister, because they feared the PM would nationalize the oil industry and introduce Communism. Installed a dictator who made himself an Emperor, strutting about like a peacock with a secret thug police. The economy in Iran was not great, and I think a lot of people saw the Shah as someone who stole all their wealth and they are powerless to stop him. In the early 1970's the Shah had a gigantic party to celebrate 2500 years of Persia and invited the leaders of the World to come. It was a hell of an extravagant party which lasted days. The people of his country saw this while again were suffering under the Shah's mismanagement.

The Muslims are also pissed off that Isreal exists, goes without saying. The Clerics are telling their people and it is known that The Shah is an ally of Isreal which are persecuting the Muslims and are illegally holding sacred lands. So its Allah and his representive or Shah who is Satan in expensive duds and a hot wife.
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