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Old October 16th, 2017, 08:26 AM   #101

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Egyptologist Mark Lehner of Harvard University points out that other elements of the Nabta sites suggest connections with Egyptian patterns of thought. Malville and Wendorf had noted cattle tumuli and a sculptured stone "with some resemblance to a cow" at Nabta. "Cattle iconography was still extremely important to the pharaohs of the Old Kingdom," says Lehner. And, like several of the megalithic alignments and the solstitial window at Nabta, the temples at Abydos and the pyramids at Saqqara, Giza, and Abusir are arranged along roughly northeast-southwest lines. But Lehner urges caution in making a connection between Neolithic nomads and early Egyptian civilization: "It makes sense, but not in a facile, direct way--you can't go straight from these megaliths to the pyramid of Djoser."
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This is all "suggesting" and "like". The same could also be said to show a link between Nabta Playa and Stonehenge, or any structure with an astonomical use. Possible worship of cows in Nubia is not proof that it is the origin of Hathor. Now of course he is right in saying that "it makes sense" to see a potential connection, but that disregards, in their early years, of one lot of pastoralists doing something similar to another lot. I don't dispute that at those very early times both groups would be doing similar things, but this does not lead on to Nubia being the parent to Egypt, and indeed the argument could be reversed, but I'm not doing that.

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And that is what I have been saying. You can show some similarities in the early "primitive" culture, fine, but there is still nothing to say that Nubia is the parent of Egypt, no matter how this is spun.
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This is all "suggesting" and "like". The same could also be said to show a link between Nabta Playa and Stonehenge, or any structure with an astonomical use. Possible worship of cows in Nubia is not proof that it is the origin of Hathor. Now of course he is right in saying that "it makes sense" to see a potential connection, but that disregards, in their early years, of one lot of pastoralists doing something similar to another lot. I don't dispute that at those very early times both groups would be doing similar things, but this does not lead on to Nubia being the parent to Egypt, and indeed the argument could be reversed, but I'm not doing that.

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And that is what I have been saying. You can show some similarities in the early "primitive" culture, fine, but there is still nothing to say that Nubia is the parent of Egypt, no matter how this is spun.
Just like we could find similarities between the Romans and Estrucans.
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At the time Djoser's Step Pyramid was built, as I already mentioned, is a gap of about 3,500 years. I do not doubt that in that interval Nabta Playa had been long forgotten and buried under sand, and that Djoser and Imhotep had no knowledge whatsoever of the sight or of any thought behind the sight. There being nothing similar in Egypt, and the huge gap in time, severely limits any possibility of any form of link.
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At the time Djoser's Step Pyramid was built, as I already mentioned, is a gap of about 3,500 years. I do not doubt that in that interval Nabta Playa had been long forgotten and buried under sand, and that Djoser and Imhotep had no knowledge whatsoever of the sight or of any thought behind the sight. There being nothing similar in Egypt, and the huge gap in time, severely limits any possibility of any form of link.
The Denial is strong with this one, but like I said earlier we all have right to an opinion.
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Just like we could find similarities between the Romans and Estrucans.
Show an unequivocal direct link between Nabta Playa and Ancient Egypt without "suggests" or "like", and that can reasonably cross this 3,500 year gap in time and showing some form of continuity, which if Nabta Playa was an origin there would need to be. You just do not go from a particular structure and leap forward 3,500 years and have it reappear, in no matter what form, without a very strong continuous link. Oral tradition, which is all there would have been at the time of Nabta Playa, will not work for this.
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The Denial is strong with this one, but like I said earlier we all have right to an opinion.
Is this all you have, snippy remarks? you have said nothing in your own words, all you do is provide links, some rather dubious, and cannot even give a summary, or what you think. From your posts I cannot even grasp if you actually know anything at all about this subject. Everything from you smacks of a google search, not a search from your knowledge.
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Is this all you have, snippy remarks? you have said nothing in your own words, all you do is provide links, some rather dubious, and cannot even give a summary, or what you think. From your posts I cannot even grasp if you actually know anything at all about this subject. Everything from you smacks of a google search, not a search from your knowledge.
Are you finished?
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Are you finished?
No, I'm waiting for you to make a post, in your own words not just posting a link, to explain, if nothing else, now the 3,500 year gap between Nabta Playa and the Step Pyramid can be crossed. If you can do that, then you may have a start to argue that Nabta Playa has influenced Ancient Egypt.
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Why on earth post a link to an article debunking "bad astronomy". That is not a serious article about the GP, and it is nothing to do with Nabta Playa.

Without insults, honestly. You are in a hole and I suggest you stop digging. Present something serious, and preferably in your own words, or just stop.

btw, except the GP, the pyramids are aligned with the Nile, not anything in the heavens, so, in conjunction with what the pyramids are, there is no connection with Nabta Playa. You need to show a connection first with mastabas, and there is none.
Honestly it's regular sources The Reality presents in his arguments; Mind you i didn't open it. if anything after multiple times of opening his provided materials, i read completely opposite conclusion of what he is asserting. Thus the long hurry reading of articles, is just exhausted if you're familiar with the topic.

Humans naturally print strong impressions of individuals. if you previously read pages and reach totally different illation, there's no point of opening his sources in the future.
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