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Old October 20th, 2017, 10:18 AM   #151

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This is a link to an article from the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, and is about the population of Egypt. The page is an abstract and has a link to the full article as a pdf.

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We conclude that the Egyptians have been in place since back in the Pleistocene and have been largely unaffected by either invasions or migrations. As others have noted, Egyptians are Egyptians, and they were so in the past as well.
Clines and clusters versus []Race:[] a test in ancient Egypt and the case of a death on the Nile - Brace - 1993 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library
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This study is based on anatomy. I prefer DNA studies, because DNA is far more reliable than anatomy, what every biologist knows. Take for example it. Crocodile resembles lizard and snakes, doesn't it? It doesn't resemble chicken, does it? Yet genetic studies unambiguously showed than crocodiles are more related to birds than lizards, snakes or turtles.

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And here comes the point, Egypt is nd always was a society based on status. The darker your skin is the lower is your status in society.
Especially during XXV dynasty... What do you think about them? Or about Meroe and medieval Nubia?
I'm asking just for curiosity, don't take offence.

Unfortunately, authors don't say where exactly samples were taken.
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This is a link to an article from the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, and is about the population of Egypt. The page is an abstract and has a link to the full article as a pdf.

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Clines and clusters versus []Race:[] a test in ancient Egypt and the case of a death on the Nile - Brace - 1993 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library

People who live in an abstract ideology wont accept reality.

There are people in the west who live in a utopia, believing that all humans will mix, total equality and so on. Thats a mental problem not encountered in any other region in the world.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #154

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This study is based on anatomy. I prefer DNA studies, because DNA is far more reliable than anatomy, what every biologist knows. Take for example it. Crocodile resembles lizard and snakes, doesn't it? It doesn't resemble chicken, does it? Yet genetic studies unambiguously showed than crocodiles are more related to birds than lizards, snakes or turtles.



Especially during XXV dynasty... What do you think about them? Or about Meroe and medieval Nubia?
I'm asking just for curiosity, don't take offence.

Unfortunately, authors don't say where exactly samples were taken.
The XXV dynasty was when Egypt was dead. A short time span that left no impact. What i think about them? A shameful footnote. Evry country has its shameful periods.

I dont care about Meroe or Nubia. They are not Egypt and their history and stuff does not interest me.

And to answer your question, a crocodile does not resemble a snake or lizard. Crocodiles are high intelligent, care for their young and have a bird like behavior.
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People mixed from the very end of humankind. There is no "pure" population. Even so isolated population as Australians Aborigines, shows genetic admixture typical for India. So early as in stone age, Homo sapiens mixed with neanderthals. Yes, you also bear neanderthal DNA.

In Eastern Europe, for example many people have Jewish, Gypsy or Mongols admixtures.

What is my opinion about mix of population? Neutral. It's matter of will and taste. Neither good or bad.
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The XXV dynasty was when Egypt was dead. A short time span that left no impact. What i think about them? A shameful footnote. Evry country has its shameful periods.

I dont care about Meroe or Nubia. They are not Egypt and their history and stuff does not interest me.

And to answer your question, a crocodile does not resemble a snake or lizard. Crocodiles are high intelligent, care for their young and have a bird like behavior.
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And to answer your question, a crocodile does not resemble a snake or lizard. Crocodiles are high intelligent, care for their young and have a bird like behavior.
From a macro evolutionary point of view snakes, lizards and crocodiles are related

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Yes. Strictly speaking, , every two living creatures are related, because descend from common ancestor.
Crocodiles are related to snakes or lizard, but distantly.They're much closer to birds.

Crocodiles and his extinct relatives are sister group of dinosaurs (including birds) + pterosaurs.


Why do you call XXV dynasty shameful period? For example, when it comes to art, during Nubian period, many good art, following the best egyptian tradition of Old Kingdom, were made. Nubian rulers built much more than their Libyans predecessors and restored Egypt to active international politics, after long period of apathy.
In my opinion, Nubians were better rulers of Egypt, than earlier Libyans.

Period of Libyan anarchy in Egypt was far more shameful.

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Yes. Strictly speaking, , every two living creatures are related, because descend from common ancestor.
Crocodiles are related to snakes or lizard, but distantly.They're much closer to birds.

Crocodiles and his extinct relatives are sister group of dinosaurs (including birds) + pterosaurs.


Why do you call XXV dynasty shameful period? For example, when it comes to art, during Nubian period, many good art, following the best egyptian tradition of Old Kingdom, were made. Nubian rulers built much more than their Libyans predecessors and restored Egypt to active international politics, after long period of apathy.
In my opinion, Nubians were better rulers of Egypt, than earlier Libyans.

Period of Libyan anarchy in Egypt was far more shameful.
Evry non egyptian on egyptian throne is shameful. Luckily this lasted only an blink of an eye. The leader of a country should look like the people of his country.

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Old October 20th, 2017, 01:46 PM   #159

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People mixed from the very end of humankind. There is no "pure" population. Even so isolated population as Australians Aborigines, shows genetic admixture typical for India. So early as in stone age, Homo sapiens mixed with neanderthals. Yes, you also bear neanderthal DNA.

In Eastern Europe, for example many people have Jewish, Gypsy or Mongols admixtures.

What is my opinion about mix of population? Neutral. It's matter of will and taste. Neither good or bad.
People dont mix. They get replaced. People prefer their own group.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 01:58 PM   #160
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I understand your proud of pharaoh origin, but you shouldn't reject facts in the name of ideology. Of course, people mixed and mix. There is no "pure" race or population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...onary_genetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archai..._modern_humans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering


You said, that every non-Egyptian that ruled over Egyptians is shameful. So what do you think about Ptolemaic Egypt? Roman Egypt? Egypt ruled by many foreigner Islamic dynasties? How do you think about for example Saladin or Ptolemy I?
Between deposition of Nectanebo II in 342 B.C. to and at least 1922, Egypt was all time ruled by foreigners, not natives.

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