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Old October 3rd, 2017, 08:52 PM   #11

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Only if we were to label the 25th dynasty as Nubio-Egyptian, where the term is absolutely not suitable nor appropriate for any other period except for the lifespan of the Nubian dynasty. By that, it doesn't symbolize the culture, but rather the origin of the dynasty. the influence is always the reverse.

comparing the term Greco-Roman to Nubio-Egyptian is major error in logical reasoning. For you can't designate the Greek civilization as an entity before the foundation of Rome as Greco-Roman! the term cease to have any value before the Roman appearance.
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Old October 4th, 2017, 04:17 AM   #12

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I think that the point that some other posters are getting at is that the most advanced Egyptian culture, instead of arising in the geographical "center" of Egyptian land, or in the northern part, in lands closer to the Middle East, instead arose in that part of Egyptian land which is closer to "Nubia," so this should make it likely that there indeed were some early influences coming from that direction as some scholars have suggested.

In that respect the Egyptian case actually doesn't mirror the Greco-Roman case at all. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the most advanced/sophisticated early Greek states (Minoan and Mycenaean) do not seem to have suddenly arisen right where "Greek" land comes closest to "Italian" land.
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I think that the point that some other posters are getting at is that the most advanced Egyptian culture, instead of arising in the geographical "center" of Egyptian land, or in the northern part, in lands closer to the Middle East, instead arose in that part of Egyptian land which is closer to "Nubia," so this should make it likely that there indeed were some early influences coming from that direction as some scholars have suggested.

In that respect the Egyptian case actually doesn't mirror the Greco-Roman case at all. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the most advanced/sophisticated early Greek states (Minoan and Mycenaean) do not seem to have suddenly arisen right where "Greek" land comes closest to "Italian" land.
You are wrong. Do you actually know that Upper Egypt is the center of Egypt?

The only influence Nubians had were as slaves and as pictures on shoe soles.
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You are wrong. Do you actually know that Upper Egypt is the center of Egypt?
I'm thinking of predynastic times. I'm guessing that's why you didn't understand my comment.
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What utter nonsense and another attempt to insult Egypt. There was no nubian influence in Egypt. They were seen as slaves and nothing else. Why dont you label your culture inuit-saxon? Or bangladeshi-scottish?

I honestly was not aware how great this hate against my country and people is over there.

You know what? You may want live in your utopia, but this does not affect us in any way. What you claim here is an insult against Egypt and illegal by egyptian law. You insult our nation, insult our ancestors and history. It can bring you up to 5 years prison in Egypt and i believe more should be done regarding that.

The number of nubians in egypt was below 4%. They were labelled as primitive, cowardly and savage by Pharaoh Amenmenhet II.

Take your slavery complex and celebrate it somewhere else.
Again those slaves did temporarily become your pharoahs. Other slaves(not sure if the Mamluks were black, not an expert on the subject)became the rulers of Egypt again from the 13th to 16th century. So slaves have a long and storied tradition of rising to power in your country.

I don't know how one equates thinking Egypto-Nubian is a somewhat accurate term in the classical context of the first millenium BC to hating Egypt.
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Again those slaves did temporarily become your pharoahs. Other slaves(not sure if the Mamluks were black, not an expert on the subject)became the rulers of Egypt again from the 13th to 16th century. So slaves have a long and storied tradition of rising to power in your country.

I don't know how one equates thinking Egypto-Nubian is a somewhat accurate term in the classical context of the first millenium BC to hating Egypt.

Nubian were seen as animal in old egypt. Pharaoh Amenmenhet II labels them as such in his Letter. Mamluks were Arabs.

The 25th dynasty was a shortlived anomaly at the end of our classical time. There is Zero nubian influence. You had massive slavery. You feel Bad about it. Thats your Problem, not ours. Dont use us as therapy for your western psychosis.
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I'm thinking of predynastic times. I'm guessing that's why you didn't understand my comment.
Upper Egypt in predynastic Times was Same as today. There was no continental Shift
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Upper Egypt in predynastic Times was Same as today. There was no continental Shift
I certainly haven't suggested there was any "continental shift". I think my point is fairly easy to get, but whatever.
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I certainly haven't suggested there was any "continental shift". I think my point is fairly easy to get, but whatever.
Most of your points are comedy so assumed this one was as well.
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Nubian were seen as animal in old egypt. Pharaoh Amenmenhet II labels them as such in his Letter. Mamluks were Arabs.

The 25th dynasty was a shortlived anomaly at the end of our classical time. There is Zero nubian influence. You had massive slavery. You feel Bad about it. Thats your Problem, not ours. Dont use us as therapy for your western psychosis.
Well my ancestors weren't in the United States then. You make a lot of assumptions.

Also the Nubian invasion happened at the beginning of classical antiquity not the end.

Thanks for clarifying the Mamluk bit though.
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