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Old October 5th, 2017, 09:42 AM   #31

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Well my ancestors weren't in the United States then. You make a lot of assumptions.

Also the Nubian invasion happened at the beginning of classical antiquity not the end.

Thanks for clarifying the Mamluk bit though.
Our classical time end with the death of Nectanebo II. The nubians gained control for a very short time at the very end of our nations greatest time, when it was a dieing civilisation. Like bugs infesting a rotten corpse.
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Our classical time end with the death of Nectanebo II. The nubians gained control for a very short time at the very end of our nations greatest time, when it was a dieing civilisation. Like bugs infesting a rotten corpse.
you are not just saying that because they are black-ish right?
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you are not just saying that because they are black-ish right?
They are our enemies and always were. They could bei pink and it would be Same.
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They are our enemies and always were. They could bei pink and it would be Same.
So Libyans and Iraqis your enemies as well?
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So Libyans and Iraqis your enemies as well?
Yes. There is a reason why we block our western border and eliminate people that cross it.
You are not aware of our situation nor what is going on in the world.

This entire discussion is nonsense though. A foreigner has never the right to make any claims about our history. Nubians played no role in our culture.

You are on a guilt trip and want push black people. Since they have no history beyond being american slaves, you chose Egypt, because its on the same continent your former slaves came from.

You should less debate about non existing nubian contributions to our history and more about your guilt trip.

A 1st step would be to get over it. You will find not one person in the middle east or northern africa feeling guilty for our slavery industry back then.
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Yes. There is a reason why we block our western border and eliminate people that cross it.
You are not aware of our situation nor what is going on in the world.

This entire discussion is nonsense though. A foreigner has never the right to make any claims about our history. Nubians played no role in our culture.

You are on a guilt trip and want push black people. Since they have no history beyond being american slaves, you chose Egypt, because its on the same continent your former slaves came from.

You should less debate about non existing nubian contributions to our history and more about your guilt trip.

A 1st step would be to get over it. You will find not one person in the middle east or northern africa feeling guilty for our slavery industry back then.
"A foreigner has never the right to make any claims about our history"

Regardless of your views this is total utter nonsense. Of course people can study and argue about the history of other countries if anything they would be more qualified because they can look at the situation more objectively. This is nonsense and if your view on this would be international law, 90% plus(a guess) of the posts on this forum, would be illegal. See how ridiculous this sounds?

Second most African American's ancestors come from West Africa not East Africa and Nubia is an objectively impressive classical civilization along with Egypt and Carthage that is unrelated to the American Afrocentrism bashing. Fine to say Egypt is more impressive but Nubia did adopt a great deal of Egyptian culture the same way the Romans adopted a great deal of Greek culture. If anything you'd think that would suit your agenda since it would mean Nubia is culturally subordinate.
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Our classical time end with the death of Nectanebo II. The nubians gained control for a very short time at the very end of our nations greatest time, when it was a dieing civilisation. Like bugs infesting a rotten corpse.
Egypt was not a dying civilization first of all, the 26th dynasty and the Ptolemiac Period came afterwards(in addition to all subsequent periods of Egyptian hegemony in the region).

Egypt being conquered by the Assyrians was due to the Assyrians having the largest empire ever at that time(the Nubians had the second largest empire ever at that time). Egypt's decline was due to more powerful empires existing in the region, Egypt was still a pretty powerful civilization/important centre for the civilizations that conquered it and this didn't really change until the Ottomans rolled along.
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Egypt was not a dying civilization first of all, the 26th dynasty and the Ptolemiac Period came afterwards(in addition to all subsequent periods of Egyptian hegemony in the region).

Egypt being conquered by the Assyrians was due to the Assyrians having the largest empire ever at that time(the Nubians had the second largest empire ever at that time). Egypt's decline was due to more powerful empires existing in the region, Egypt was still a pretty powerful civilization/important centre for the civilizations that conquered it and this didn't really change until the Ottomans rolled along.
Ptolemaic was dirt compared to former times and not egyptian.
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Ptolemaic was dirt compared to former times and not egyptian.

That is debatable but the dynasty ruled over Egypt and contributed a lot of culture and monuments during this time(Lighthouse, Library etc). Alexandria became a real centre during this time as well. Whatever you think of them notwithstanding with the possible exception of the 18th dynasty(Tut, Ramesses etc), they are by far the most popular era in Egyptian history and conquered into the Middle East at times so I'm pretty sure even if they weren't the most powerful they were far from the weakest.
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Yes. There is a reason why we block our western border and eliminate people that cross it.
You are not aware of our situation nor what is going on in the world.

This entire discussion is nonsense though. A foreigner has never the right to make any claims about our history. Nubians played no role in our culture.

You are on a guilt trip and want push black people. Since they have no history beyond being american slaves, you chose Egypt, because its on the same continent your former slaves came from.

You should less debate about non existing nubian contributions to our history and more about your guilt trip.

A 1st step would be to get over it. You will find not one person in the middle east or northern africa feeling guilty for our slavery industry back then.
I never gave an opinion on how I feel about the Nubio-Egyptian subject. Egyptian history is overall boring to me therefore I'm indifferent. I'm following the thread to see if and how it derails into hilarity. You should probably not make too many assumptions. Also, you never answered about Iraq.

Also, foreigners taught Egyptians a lot about their own history. It took Europeans studying ancient Egypt to bring much of the history to the modern world.

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