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Old October 8th, 2017, 03:23 AM   #51

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Yes. There is a reason why we block our western border and eliminate people that cross it.
You are not aware of our situation nor what is going on in the world.

This entire discussion is nonsense though. A foreigner has never the right to make any claims about our history. Nubians played no role in our culture.

You are on a guilt trip and want push black people. Since they have no history beyond being american slaves, you chose Egypt, because its on the same continent your former slaves came from.

You should less debate about non existing nubian contributions to our history and more about your guilt trip.

A 1st step would be to get over it. You will find not one person in the middle east or northern africa feeling guilty for our slavery industry back then.
hell blacks are still slaves in north africa. that or segregated.
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The problem with your logic is that Ptolemiac was ethnically Greek they didn't rule territory in Greece, aside from a brief period. The dynasty ruled from Egypt and the latter part of the dynasty was born and raised in Egypt they were not a colonial master. The Spanish also colonized the new world with their own subjects and used them to rule, Ptolemy didn't do this, even though there was a greek ethnic aristocracy.

Many native monarchs rarely never left their capitals in Europe. Alexandria was a city while established by Alexander and Ptolemy was a city that was in Egypt filled with Egyptian people. Is Cairo not a legitimate Egyptian city because it was founded by North Africans(who you've said should be shot if they cross your western border)?

Also citing individual pharaoh's doesn't mean anything seeing the hundreds of pharaohs and 30 plus dynasties over thousands of years. By that logic people in the 4th millennium will be able to cite Donald Trump and use it as an argument to talk about American beliefs towards Mexicans(who like the Nubians are southern generally weaker neighbors) despite being only 1 of America's 45 leaders up to this point. I don't think we should do this with any society. The period I care about not just in Egyptian history but history in general is everything from 1000 BC onward, basically 22nd dynasty to present for the Egyptians.
Evry Pharaoh used black nubians as depictions of the lowest form of society.

In ery era they are used as the image of primitive savages. Used as slaves and portraied beaten up.

Move on, you have the chance to show me any egyptian Pharaoh who said positive thing about Nubians. Just one. Should not be that hard if your claims are true.
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hell blacks are still slaves in north africa. that or segregated.
Different cultures have different cultural concepts.
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Evry Pharaoh used black nubians as depictions of the lowest form of society.

In ery era they are used as the image of primitive savages. Used as slaves and portraied beaten up.

Move on, you have the chance to show me any egyptian Pharaoh who said positive thing about Nubians. Just one. Should not be that hard if your claims are true.
You need to source your claims or people won't take you seriously, and you do realise the Egyptians didn't give a rats about race so your comment on the "black" part is irrelevant there are also images of libyans being depicted in like manner, the Egyptians depicted all their enemies in humiliating ways in defeat (Kushites, certain libyans)

What's kind of ironic is how most of Egypts enemies were actually Asiatic types not Nubians but I guess it's only natural for neighbouring populations in the past competing for power to eventually gain a negative view of one another.
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You need to source your claims or people won't take you seriously, and you do realise the Egyptians didn't give a rats about race so your comment on the "black" part is irrelevant there are also images of libyans being depicted in like manner, the Egyptians depicted all their enemies in humiliating ways in defeat (Kushites, certain libyans)

What's kind of ironic is how most of Egypts enemies were actually Asiatic types not Nubians but I guess it's only natural for neighbouring populations in the past competing for power to eventually gain a negative view of one another.

I posted a scource.

And as for nubians being depicted as lowest form of civilisation i can show you almost evry temple wall i walk by evry day.

In Egypt today, the darker your skin is, the lower is your social level. It was the same back then. Slaves are shown black.

Dark people in Egypt are associated today as being servants, low class and have no chance to get good jobs or make a carieer in the military.

Amenmenhet II called nubians worthless and not capable to do even simple tasks.

You are incapable to post a scource where any egyptian Pharaoh praised the Nubians?

Our ancestors were deeply racist. A trait that is seen positive in Egypt. Because it is the foundation of a stable society.
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I posted a scource.

And as for nubians being depicted as lowest form of civilisation i can show you almost evry temple wall i walk by evry day.

In Egypt today, the darker your skin is, the lower is your social level. It was the same back then. Slaves are shown black.

Dark people in Egypt are associated today as being servants, low class and have no chance to get good jobs or make a carieer in the military.

Amenmenhet II called nubians worthless and not capable to do even simple tasks.

You are incapable to post a scource where any egyptian Pharaoh praised the Nubians?

Our ancestors were deeply racist. A trait that is seen positive in Egypt. Because it is the foundation of a stable society.
Nonsense, Japanese people use to enslave Koreans and from what I've read even considerd themselves superior to Koreans but that doesn't mean that it was based on anything racial, not just that Egyptians intermarried and had positive relations with different types of Nubians, I think it's funny how you want to apply a recent way of thinking in a modern society to an ancient one that for many reasons obviously didn't think in the same manner, but I don't blame you we are all brainwashed in one way or another.
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Nonsense, Japanese people use to enslave Koreans and from what I've read even considerd themselves superior to Koreans but that doesn't mean that it was based on anything racial, not just that Egyptians intermarried and had positive relations with different types of Nubians, I think it's funny how you want to apply a recent way of thinking in a modern society to an ancient one that for many reasons obviously didn't think in the same manner, but I don't blame you we are all brainwashed in one way or another.
Post a scource where a pharaoh say a positive thing about nubian.

Also post a scource for auch a marriage. You have none. Just a degenerated western Utopia.
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Post a scource where a pharaoh say a positive thing about nubian.

Also post a scource for auch a marriage. You have none. Just a degenerated western Utopia.
This is kind of basic knowledge But here....

Finds reveal how ancient Egyptian and Nubian cultures blended | Popular Archaeology - exploring the past

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/phys.org...-thousands.amp
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Old October 8th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #59

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I really like those two links as they show that it was Egypt that influenced Nubia and not the other way around. It also shows that there was a certain merging at the geographic meeting point of the two cultures, which is not denied, but that it was way way after Ancient Egypt had come into being.

So well done on posting links that clarify this and explain that it is Egypt that influenced Nubia, as those who know the history have always maintained.
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I really like those two links as they show that it was Egypt that influenced Nubia and not the other way around. It also shows that there was a certain merging at the geographic meeting point of the two cultures, which is not denied, but that it was way way after Ancient Egypt had come into being.

So well done on posting links that clarify this and explain that it is Egypt that influenced Nubia, as those who know the history have always maintained.
Whoever denied that, but it depends who we are talking about, for example the Nubians being talked about In the articles are most like either Kushites or pan grave Nubians, remember Nubia itself had culturally distinct people.
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