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Old September 13th, 2017, 09:37 PM   #1

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Was South Africa ever a developed country?


Even current South Africa is an interesting and contradictory case study:
As one of the BRICS, it is the second largest economy in Africa, behind Nigeria.
It may have some of the best infrastructure in Africa.
It is one of the poster boys of disparity.
The HIV infection rate is among the highest even in Africa.
It is fairly known to be an unsafe and crime-ridden country.
Now, let's roll back the time (using the VHS metaphor), and argue if South Africa was a developed country or not.
How did the concept that South Africa as a previously developed country generate?
How was South Africa during its so-called better days?
Why have South Africa received relatively more global attention than other parts of Africa? I heard of a landslide that killed 1000 people earlier in Africa (on Aljazeera, I think); I did not see it elsewhere.
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Overall, no.

FOr me a developed country has high living standards, consumption, public services, and infrastructure for most of its people relative to other countries. Most whites then and now live OK, but most blacks then and now not so much. It probably is wealthy now compared to other African countries though.

SA has more global attention due to apartheid. Though Rwanda, Congo, Sierra Leone, etc. have had bad wars, and Keyna had a brief but harsh tribal conflict a few years ago.
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The predominantly white areas in South Africa appear to be well developed, and could belong to a developed country.
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Even current South Africa is an interesting and contradictory case study:
As one of the BRICS, it is the second largest economy in Africa, behind Nigeria.
Third, they are also behind Egypt.
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Third, they are also behind Egypt.
Nigeria>Egypt>South Africa?
Why the BRICS includes South Africa rather than Nigeria?
I read that both Nigeria and Ghana are having major malnutrition crisis.
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South Africa's standard of living is overrated. Their per capital GDP is behind Mexico and most of North Africa. In fact, South Africa has at best the 3rd highest GDP per capital in sub-Saharan Africa. Botswana and Gabon both have higher GDPs per capita than South Africa does.

It depends on what you mean by developed country. South Africa was never developed or prosperous for blacks under apartheid.
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South Africa's standard of living is overrated. Their per capital GDP is behind Mexico and most of North Africa. In fact, South Africa has at best the 3rd highest GDP per capital in sub-Saharan Africa. Botswana and Gabon both have higher GDPs per capita than South Africa does.

It depends on what you mean by developed country. South Africa was never developed or prosperous for blacks under apartheid.
Even for Europeans or people with European South-African (people with European descent), it was only moderately prosperous or developed by the standard of Western Europe and North America (no Caribbean and Mexico) for that matter.
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Johannesburg in 1954.

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Johannesburg in 1954.

This would be like looking at what Lagos, Nigeria looked like in the 1960s and 1970s or what Abuja, Nigeria looks like today and then concluding that Nigeria was a developed country in the 60s or is a developed country today, when in fact it was and is quite far from developed.
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