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Old October 13th, 2017, 11:25 PM   #31
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Really. This forum is flooded with people who are in denial of reality. There are objective standards to these things.
1) What am I denying?
2) Every forum has people who deny reality. Nothing really of a surprise. Have you been on Afrocentric websites or Stormfront? Those people live in a parallel universe where the former thinks everything on Earth was created by SSA people while the latter thinks everything on Earth was created by whites Click the image to open in full size.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 11:31 PM   #32

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1) What am I denying?
2) Every forum has people who deny reality. Nothing really of a surprise. Have you been on Afrocentric websites or Stormfront? Those people live in a parallel universe where the former thinks everything on Earth was created by SSA people while the latter thinks everything on Earth was created by whites Click the image to open in full size.
This has nothing to do with the fact that you openly do not accept that it is difficult and impressive to build tall buildings. You cannot undestand that it is amazing almost to the point of being surreal that a building could have a 4000 year run as the tallest.

I sincerely do not mean this to be an ad hominem, but no one can teach you anything because you have no capactiy to judge. You have decided that you are smarter than the millions upon millions of people throughout the eons who marvel at Ancient Egypt.

Good for you and carrry on.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 11:36 PM   #33
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If you do not understand why this is important an impressive, there is nothing I can say to you. Nothing.
They were impressive yes. What I'm trying to say is that there were many other civilizations that had great architectual/engineering feats.

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You were wrong when you said it before and are wrong now. The great pyramid lacks its limestone casing because at some point a Sultan tried to tear it down...and couldn't. They survived becasue they are extraordianrily well built.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about. None.
Well, its art and other non-pyramid works of architecture survived as well because of the climate. As for the Sultan, curse those Islamic extremists.

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Sorry, I assumed you would understand that some things are implicit. Perhaps, for your sake, I should re-state waht I said as "ancient cultures who had contact with Egypt..."
Semantics, the purpose of internet forums

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Old October 13th, 2017, 11:43 PM   #34
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This has nothing to do with the fact that you openly do not accept that it is difficult and impressive to build tall buildings. You cannot undestand that it is amazing almost to the point of being surreal that a building could have a 4000 year run as the tallest.
Did I say anything bad about Ancient Egyptian architecture?

Yes, it was impressive, but, there were many other civilizations that had great feats of architecture/engineering, just like Egypt. And all I said that in my opinion, I don't find the Egyptian pyramids to be appealing, just my personal taste. But I do like their other aspects of art and architecture.

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I sincerely do not mean this to be an ad hominem, but no one can teach you anything because you have no capactiy to judge. You have decided that you are smarter than the millions upon millions of people throughout the eons who marvel at Ancient Egypt.

Good for you and carrry on.
All im doing is stating an opinion and hearing what other peoples opinions are. "... smarter than the millions upon millions of people throughout the eons who marvel at Ancient Egypt". Care to elaborate. Maybe I'm not smart enough to comprehend this statement
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They were impressive yes. What I'm trying to say is that there were many other civilizations that had great architectual/engineering feats.
Sure, but no other civilization has ever held the record for tallest building for 4000 years, and almost certainly never will. Egypt is unique. I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

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Well, it's art and other non-pyramid works of architecture survived as well because of the climate. As for the Sultan, curse those Islamic extremists.
But this is not what you were talking about. You are now outright lying:

As I said, it survived mainly due to the Egyptian desert climate/landscape. And as I said, there are other pyramids out there, some I find more interesting than Egyptian ones, but this is subjective.



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If it makes you feel better. Great, the Chinese and Indians did not think much about Egypt, not matter that they might as well have been on another planet given technology at the time.

Good point. Lots of people are impressed.
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Some levity in what rapidly became a far too acrimonious thread to take serious part in, a pity...

Anyway, just as back in about 1999, or thereabouts, the game "Pharaoh" stimulated imaginations and interest in Ancient Egypt, this new installment of the Assassins Creed series should do the same, but on a far grander scale. It's not my type of game, but I'll buy it just to be able to walk, and fly around, an extraordinary rendition of Ancient Egypt, in this case at the time of Cleopatra VII. To the marsh I march for the reeds we need..







Edit: I found that a "discovery mode" will be added to the game that will enable the player to just explore the entire map without any missions and fighting. As well as temples, the inside of pyramids and tombs are also replicated.

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But this is not what you were talking about. You are now outright lying:

As I said, it survived mainly due to the Egyptian desert climate/landscape. And as I said, there are other pyramids out there, some I find more interesting than Egyptian ones, but this is subjective.
How am I lying? yes their art and other aspects of architecture survived all those centuries due to the climate (including the pyramids) even if the climate did damage some aspects of it. Yes, there were invasions who did attempt to destroy some architectural workings of the Ancient Egyptians, but most of the architecture survived due to the climate.





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Good point. Lots of people are impressed.
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How am I lying? yes their art and other aspects of architecture survived all those centuries due to the climate (including the pyramids) even if the climate did damage some aspects of it. Yes, there were invasions who did attempt to destroy some architectural workings of the Ancient Egyptians, but most of the architecture survived due to the climate.







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i actually feel pity for you.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 01:28 AM   #39
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What a stupid topic.
In your opinion, it's a stupid topic, call it whatever you want, it's still opinion

As for "stupid topic", right, so every topic you disagree with, is all of a sudden a stupid topic?


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Nothring from Mesopotamia or China comes even close to that skills.
Some great statues from Mesopotamia:
https://rebekahmgiffone.files.wordpr.../100_52451.jpg
http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2015/...-122315015.jpg
http://www.chaldeansonline.org/photo/mesop12.jpg
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerabu.jpg

Some great statues from China:
https://cloud.glstock.com/26407/5649...se-culture.jpg
http://www.crystalinks.com/tombs.china.statues.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5a/c1/78/5...ncient-art.jpg



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Mesopotamian art looks primitive and simple and at no time reached the perfection of our art.
Art and architecture are both subjective. There is no such thing as one art being more "primitive" compared to another. I don't think it's primitive. It's unique. You may find it primitive, but that's just your opinion.

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You mock the great Pyramides?
Show me evidence of mocking the pyramids, you just made an accusation.

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No artificial structure in the world carries more weight as the great pyramide. The great pyramide of Khufu is extremly complex. Each stone made for its exact position. The organisation behind its construction propably can only be rivalled by the moon program. There is no building in the world which comes even close in its organisation and perfection. Mesoamerican pyramides are small and without great structure. Nothing in China or India exists, that comes even close to the great Pyramides. During construction of the great pyramide of Khufu, no place on earth used more copper. The infrastructure needed to make this possible is beyond imagination.
There is no widely accepted agreement that Egyptian pyramids are the greater than any other pyramid in the world. As I said, its subjective.

As for Mesoamerican pyramids, "small" and "without structure".
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/ce...4baafb549e.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/c9...2f8aa88d85.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Pyramid.01.jpg
http://www.aztec-indians.com/images/moon-pyramid.jpg
https://imageserver.avenso.com/image...3d0:154096.jpg

They still look aesthetic to me, even if not tall. For me, size does not matter, what matters is the look, again, that's just me

Here are some other pyramids/pyramid-like structures from Southeast Asia and India
https://sg-dae.kxcdn.com/blog/wp-con...ara-temple.jpg
http://www.utaot.com/wp-content/uplo...mple_Tower.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/61/85/ea/6...ist-places.jpg
http://www.megaworldasia.com/wp-cont.../2014/08/5.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KSzpg1YZsV...0/SAM_5915.JPG




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You say Egypt had no great philosophical influence? Beside its gargantuan influence even to today, it forged the 3 world religions. Jewish religion has most likely its foundation on the Aten cult. Christianity is a hybrid between this and the old egyptian religion. Jesus, Mary are basicly 1:1 Isis and Osiris. With this it also laid the base for Islam. Our entire today worldview is based on this.
Judaism is a blend of Babylonian and indigenous Levantine practices and beliefs. Id say Zoroastrianism has more of an influence on the abrahamic religions than Egyptian.


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The first stone architecture comes from Egypt. The great pyramide of Djoser.
Stone architecture did however develop independently in many places, namely the Mesoamerican civilizations like the Inca

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Those gargantuan things aside, the small art was on a unique level unreached by any other.

Show me anything from this era that reaches that:

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Before you mock my ancestors you should be able to show something that rivals them.

You praise stuff from mesopotamia like this?

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Let me tell you something. My people were sourounded by primitives. For example Mesopotamia and it deeply saddened them. For our ancestors Egypt was the only civilized place. It creates a feeling of isolation.

You ask what China or India did think about us? Is this important? Its as important as what Bonobos or a state of termites think about us.
You are projecting your own bias, and dismissing the other civilizations as primitive, using your own bias on Ancient Egyptian art as being somehow better in appearance than other civilizations. Mesopotamia was the first civilization, and Mesopotamia even had some cultural influences on Egypt in predynastic times. These civilizations were so "inferior", yet they managed to surpass you in the later years while Egypt slowly fell behind. What about things other than art and architecture where Egyptians were so great at compared to other civilizations.

And again, please give me evidence of where exactly I "mocked" your people. You are making false accusations, just because I have a different opinion on something.

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i actually feel pity for you.
Great argument
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