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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:16 AM   #71
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I mean just because I mistook him for a "her", it's an insult? Is there something wrong with women? Typical muslim mentality.

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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:18 AM   #72

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I mean just because I mistook him for a "her", it's an insult? Is there something wrong with women? Typical muslim mentality.
Unless you care to join him on a break, you'll knock off comments like this.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #73
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Unless you care to join him on a break, you'll knock off comments like this.
You are right, I should not be starting fights with someone who is offended by the smallest things, and I should not be insulting back, not on forums like. Let us get back to the discussion without going even further.

I just do not like it when other civilizations are are labeled inferior compared to one civilization. But after all, it is opinion, I almost totally forgot about that.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 12:18 PM   #74
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What a stupid topic.

Let me elaborate this from an egyptians pointof view.

Egypt shines through time while all others simply reflect. We are a star. In evry aspect.

One just has to look at Nofrets eyes

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Nothring from Mesopotamia or China comes even close to that skills.

Mesopotamian art looks primitive and simple and at no time reached the perfection of our art.

You mock the great Pyramides?

No artificial structure in the world carries more weight as the great pyramide. The great pyramide of Khufu is extremly complex. Each stone made for its exact position. The organisation behind its construction propably can only be rivalled by the moon program. There is no building in the world which comes even close in its organisation and perfection. Mesoamerican pyramides are small and without great structure. Nothing in China or India exists, that comes even close to the great Pyramides. During construction of the great pyramide of Khufu, no place on earth used more copper. The infrastructure needed to make this possible is beyond imagination.

You say Egypt had no great philosophical influence? Beside its gargantuan influence even to today, it forged the 3 world religions. Jewish religion has most likely its foundation on the Aten cult. Christianity is a hybrid between this and the old egyptian religion. Jesus, Mary are basicly 1:1 Isis and Osiris. With this it also laid the base for Islam. Our entire today worldview is based on this.

The first stone architecture comes from Egypt. The great pyramide of Djoser.

Those gargantuan things aside, the small art was on a unique level unreached by any other.

Show me anything from this era that reaches that:

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Before you mock my ancestors you should be able to show something that rivals them.

You praise stuff from mesopotamia like this?

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Let me tell you something. My people were sourounded by primitives. For example Mesopotamia and it deeply saddened them. For our ancestors Egypt was the only civilized place. It creates a feeling of isolation.

You ask what China or India did think about us? Is this important? Its as important as what Bonobos or a state of termites think about us.
Nah, I'd have to give the edge to the civilizations of Mesopotamia.

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I have to put the above over something like this

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Old October 14th, 2017, 02:55 PM   #75

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Did you ever visit the Maya pyramides? I did in 2015. Evry Mc Donalds is more impressive than this. Build wtith small stones. Without inner structure.
The Cholula Pyramid, built by the Aztecs, was one of the largest pyramids ever built though. So if you only saw the Maya pyramids you didn't really see the largest Mesoamerican pyramid.
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Im only saying that Indian fractions would probably be the closest to what we use today.
Sure. That's not really in doubt by me.

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Okay. I would like to say is, I don't know number theorists study Egyptian fractions though, since it's all ancient stuff, but some do. But I think number theorists study Babylonian and especially Indian fractions as well.
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I explained to you that number theorists do study Egyptian fractions and gave you a link to a paper explaining a famous number theorists involvement with them. It is not just historical studies, but current, actual mathematical research.

I have never suggested that there are no studies, whether historical studies or new mathematical research, of the use of fractions by other groups.

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What about Greek calendars. I heard they ultimately derive from Babylonians? Before, I was thinking that Roman calendars were based off of Greek ones.
Maybe Greek calendars did have some Babylonian influence. I haven't heard of that, but it's not impossible. But in any case, people do not use the Greek calendars today. Most people use the Gregorian calendar, which is a modified version of a Roman calendar which is itself a modified version of the Egyptian calendar. No one is using the Greek calendar, not even Greeks.

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Yes, they had influences outside Egypt, primarily Greece and the Levant, but its mixed with other influences from surrounding areas
Sure. I was just addressing the idea that they never influenced anyone outside of their region.

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I wish the user Ranefer would understand this and not dismiss civilizations outside Egypt as "primitive" and Ancient Egypt as "the highest peak of human civilization"
I agree. His is taking a very biased approach on this matter, probably because he is taking your comments about ancient Egypt too personally.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 03:13 PM   #77

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The "O" word again. How could something as pivotal to modern society be regarded as "overrated"? Nothing in history is overrated. There are things of higher and lesser importance, but nothing overrated.
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3)Agreed. Egypt isn't unimportant at all. My assessment is that Egypt was really the first civilization that was anything resembling an empire and was the most advanced until the Middle East started being united by the Assyrians, Persians etc at which point the formerly most advanced civilization on earth could no longer compete. Likewise in more modern times when the Middle East was fractured, or even during the decline of the Seleucid Empire you see Egypt being more competitive in the region.

Culturally, I think the fact that it was the most advanced civilization to exist at that time is the fascination. Egypt was great at record keeping, and maintaining evidence of their civilization(Pyramid's being the most tangible example) that this will naturally attract historians and is the reason why "Egyptology is a thing". Sumer was around largely the same time but like Ranefar said(not that I agree with most of what Ranefar says) these were less advanced city states and Sumer is important for what Middle Eastern civilization eventually became. Ancient Egypt was already that millennia earlier. So I think the civilization gets much credit for being first. Of the three basins of civilization, the Indus, Mespotamia and the Nile, Egypt was initially the most successful.
I believe that the first true "empire" in the sense we usually think of that word was the Akkadian empire. Egypt was the first centralized "kingdom" (something greater than a city-state) formed by a single nation or cultural group, but it seems that the first state ruling over multiple different peoples was the Akkadian empire.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #79
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The "O" word again. How could something as pivotal to modern society be regarded as "overrated"? Nothing in history is overrated. There are things of higher and lesser importance, but nothing overrated.
Your last sentence IMO is a contradiction. If something is given more attention/praise than it's importance it can be overrated, vice e versa. I feel most of the disdain here is for the word which seems really dumb and unintellectual, than for the question that the OP is asking using that phrase.
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The Cholula Pyramid, built by the Aztecs, was one of the largest pyramids ever built though. So if you only saw the Maya pyramids you didn't really see the largest Mesoamerican pyramid.
I should have said built by the ancestors of the Aztecs here. Anyway, the pyramid of Cholula was enormous, and is still around, and it did have a complex inner structure.
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