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Old December 12th, 2017, 11:58 PM   #1
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Why Sumer and not Egypt




This is a bit of comparative History, where I explore why Sumer Was Overshadowed by Egypt. I would love to get any opinions and comments. I believe it was a systems failure. Climate changes, Natural disaster, Failing crops, Political instability, invasion. I dont think there is one link in that change more responsible than any other.
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Negative aspects; If it isnt lack of water - climate change, a single reason ) its a 'perfect storm' ..... no one single reason but many interplaying (like the dynamics of the 'Late Bronze Age Collapse' ).

Positive aspects ; Usually a type of 'alchemical circulation' dynamic * ( or more simply ; people in and out - 'multiculturalism ' ).

* a cultural component of the whole splits off ('solve' phase) and evolves / develops separately and in relative isolation, the 'mother culture' also continues in 'isolation'. Then the split of and changed culture, or others, comes back into the 'mother culture' bringing new information and materials and blending them into a new culture ('coagula' phase). The cycle repeats.

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The sound seems a bit blurred ? It could be me .... I have volume up full , but the cicadas are near deafening at the moment !
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The sound seems a bit blurred ? It could be me .... I have volume up full , but the cicadas are near deafening at the moment !
No cicadas, dont know what that could be
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Re climate change etc: Interesting as it may link with Joseph's global famine/drought which was 3rd-4th dynasty. There are tentative reasons for that Sargon of Akkad may possibly be Joseph or Jacob (when they were in Egypt). Also around about Moses time the 3rd dyn of Ur Sumer "foundations torn out" in Sumerian king list.

Re cyclical: Bible does say Babel "mixture, confusion, harlot/whore". Like Spenglar, Toynbee and Atlantis Account and the clay & iron in Daniel they mixed and "lost the divine element" (not mere physical but moral/spiritual).
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Re climate change etc: Interesting as it may link with Joseph's global famine/drought which was 3rd-4th dynasty. There are tentative reasons for that Sargon of Akkad may possibly be Joseph or Jacob (when they were in Egypt). Also around about Moses time the 3rd dyn of Ur Sumer "foundations torn out" in Sumerian king list.

Re cyclical: Bible does say Babel "mixture, confusion, harlot/whore". Like Spenglar, Toynbee and Atlantis Account and the clay & iron in Daniel they mixed and "lost the divine element" (not mere physical but moral/spiritual).
Interesting. I think though that an often overlooked part of it is Egypts isolation from other cultures. They did not have to contend with invasions
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They were not necessarily as isolated from other cultures as we think. Egyptian world had 9/10 arcs/bows. 3 Pyramids of Sipan look alot like 3 pyramids of Giza. Maybe be alot more better examples but thats just a couple of quick partial ones off top of head. Piri Reis map centred on Cairo. Great Pyramid geodesics map north hemisphere. Coins of Ptolemies found in NZ. Where was Punt (voyage was some time duration)? Necho's fleet went around all Africa. Dorak treasure (5th dynasty)?
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[QUOTE=Lauren Michele;2870912]They were not necessarily as isolated from other cultures as we think. Egyptian world had 9/10 arcs/bows. 3 Pyramids of Sipan look alot like 3 pyramids of Giza. Maybe be alot more better examples but thats just a couple of quick partial ones off top of head. Piri Reis map centred on Cairo. Great Pyramid geodesics map north hemisphere. Coins of Ptolemies found in NZ. Where was Punt (voyage was some time duration)? Necho's fleet went around all Africa. Dorak treasure (5th dynasty)?

of course, I meant at the start of the first Dynasty. Like at the time of Namer
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Egyptian wheat found in Swiss lake dwellings (built on dried up lake shores in neolithic).
Similarities between Merimde noelothic and Western neolithic (ref Childe).
Similarities between predynastic culture and Uruk period (Childe?).
Old Kingdom tombs similar to Ur 0 dynasty tombs (Waddell).
Joseph famine (3rd-4th dynasty) was global. (orthodox synchronism of Akkadian with (4th-)6th dyn.) Egypt only became great (sort of like greater than Sumer) in 4th dynasty.
See LA Waddell's Makers of Civilisation on unity of very early ancient world.
Min/Menes or Narmer(za)/Meri-nar (Maneros?) has links with Nimrod.
There is rivalry for whether Sumer or Egypt was the older/first high culture. Bible has Nimrod son of Cush.
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Re climate change etc: Interesting as it may link with Joseph's global famine/drought which was 3rd-4th dynasty. There are tentative reasons for that Sargon of Akkad may possibly be Joseph or Jacob (when they were in Egypt). Also around about Moses time the 3rd dyn of Ur Sumer "foundations torn out" in Sumerian king list.

Re cyclical: Bible does say Babel "mixture, confusion, harlot/whore". Like Spenglar, Toynbee and Atlantis Account and the clay & iron in Daniel they mixed and "lost the divine element" (not mere physical but moral/spiritual).
'Atlantis Account' ? Which one ?
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