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Old January 26th, 2018, 04:17 PM   #61

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Huh , what do you mean "Communist controlled South Africa"? You do know that the country is an extremely Capitalist Republic right?
I use words carefully. I said "Communist controlled". China could be called a capitalist country, yet the government IS Communist controlled.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 12:13 AM   #62

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I use words carefully. I said "Communist controlled". China could be called a capitalist country, yet the government IS Communist controlled.
Except that, South Africa has absolutely nothing in common with China .

* South Africa currently has one of the most "free" media laws in the world (Ranked 31st in the World in terms of media freedom, which is higher than the UK, France and the US).
* South Africa also has regular democratic Provincial and Presidential Elections.
Not to mention the following stat's:
* List of the best Schools in Africa:
Notice how 7 of the 15 schools on this list are South African? I actually studied at a school on this list.
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1. Grey College - South Africa

2. Rift Valley Academy - Kenya

3. King Edward VII School - South Africa

4. Hilton College - South Africa

5. St. George's College - Zimbabwe

6. Prince Edward School - Zimbabwe

7. International School of - Kenya Kenya

8. Accra Academy - Ghana

9. Lycée Lamine Guèye - Senegal

10. Adisadel College - Ghana

11. St John's College Houghton - South Africa

12. Maritzburg College - South Africa

13. Lycée Guebre Mariam - Ethiopia

14. Selborne College - South Africa

15. St Alban's College - South Africa

Source: Top 100 Schools in Africa - Is Your School on the List?
List of the best Universities in Africa:
7 of the top 10 Universities in Africa are South African;
Again, I studied at one of these Universities.

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1. University of Cape Town


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Leading the way for the top universities in Africa is South Africa’s oldest university, the University of Cape Town, ranked 191st in the QS World University Rankings® 2018 and consistently found in the global top 200. The campus sits upon the slopes of Table Mountain’s Devil’s Peak, offering fantastic views.
2. Stellenbosch University

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Also in South Africa, Stellenbosch University climbed 34 places in this year’s ranking and is now placed joint 361st in the world. Founded in 1918, the university is located in the town of Stellenbosch, 50 kilometers east of Cape Town.
3. University of the Witwatersrand


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Ranked joint 364th this year, the University of Witwatersrand (often called Wits for short) is another South African institution, with five campuses in urban and suburban Johannesburg, the country’s largest city. The university has around 33,700 students, of which about 2,600 are international students.
4. The American University in Cairo

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The next university on our list of the top universities in Africa is based in Egypt. The American University in Cairo is ranked joint 395th in the world in 2018. Also ranked fifth in the most recent edition of the QS University Rankings: Arab Region, it teaches in English, and possesses Egypt’s largest English-language library collection.
5. Cairo University

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Egypt’s Cairo University is ranked in the 481-490 range of the overall world rankings, and 10th in the Arab region. Despite the name, its main campus is actually in Giza, 20km southwest across the Nile from Cairo.
6. University of Pretoria

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Ranked 501-550 in the world this year is South Africa’s University of Pretoria. It’s one of the largest universities in the country, with over 50,000 students at seven campuses. Established in 1908, the university also features in the top 50 of the latest QS University Rankings: BRICS.
7. University of Johannesburg

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Ranked 601-650 in the world in 2018, the University of Johannesburg is the youngest university in South Africa to feature in the QS World University Rankings, having been formed from a merger of earlier institutions as recently as 2005.
The following three universities are all ranked in the 701-750 range, making them joint eighth in Africa:
=8. Ain Shams University

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The first of the top universities in Africa to be ranked 701-750 is the Egyptian Ain Shams University, which also features at 12th in the Arab region in 2016. Based in Cairo and established in 1950, Ain Shams is a very large institution, hosting approximately 180,000 students in 15 faculties.
=8. Rhodes University

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Rhodes University, located in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa, is also ranked 701-750. Named after British businessman Cecil Rhodes, the university is highly residential and relatively small, with around 8,000 students currently enrolled.
=8. University of Kwazulu-Natal

Source: https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...rsities-africa
List of the Biggest Companies in Africa:
8 of the top 10 biggest companies in Africa are South African.
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1. SONATRACH - Algeria $58.7 BILLION
2. SONANGOL - Angola $22.2 BILLION
3. SASOL - South Africa $18.3 BILLION
4. MTN GROUP - South Africa $17.2 BILLION
5. THE BIDVEST GROUP - South Africa $16.5 BILLION
6. ESKOM - South Africa $13.7 BILLION
7. SHOPRITE HOLDINGS - South Africa $10.14 BILLION
8. SANLAM - South Africa $10.12 BILLION
9. VODACOM GROUP - South Africa $9.2 BILLION
10. IMPERIAL HOLDINGS - South Africa$8 BILLION
Source: Biggest Companies in Africa - African Zeal
I can go on and on with this.

If this is what South Africa's attempt of being "Communist Controlled" looks like, than they are clearly doing a miserable job of it .

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'Communist-controlled' South Africa? really?

sources/evidence?
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Old January 27th, 2018, 09:47 AM   #64

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It is debatable how much power the South Africa Communist Party has in South Africa.
Because the SACP is an element of the ANC, its role can be hidden under the label "ANC".
Nelson Mandela was proud to say he was a member of the SACP.

Communists know how to rule in spite of democratic formalities. They don't play by any rules. It is great that they inherited such a rich country. The poverty of their ideas won't be apparent for a long time. They have a big cow to milk.

Here are some local views:

https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/2015/...-south-africa/

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world...ist-revolution

It is useful to understand how the Communist Party system is different from normal political parties. Members are subject to severe discipline and obedience.
If you are told to change your profession and move to another place, you do it. If you are told to express certain opinions in all your public and private correspondence, then you do it.

It is not difficult for the Communist Party to infiltrate an organization and take it over surreptitiously. Nearly any organization will follow the will of a highly disciplined and ruthless group of people within the organization. It does not matter who is in charge or what the organization tree looks like. They can take over religious organizations and academic institutions with equal ease. The members may have no sympathy for Communist goals, yet the key publications and policy statements from these organizations will reflect the wishes of the party.

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None of this views are local. The first is a opinion “article” apparently written or posted by Harry Booyens, a South African that isn’t in the county since 2000, and lives in Canada, the second is written by Alex Newman, in an US site, apparently pro-Trump.

In this line of thinking you surely will easily say that Portugal is a communist country, since it has the socialists in the government with political support of the Communist and the new Far left.
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* South Africa currently has one of the most "free" media laws in the world (Ranked 31st in the World in terms of media freedom, which is higher than the UK, France and the US).
* South Africa also has regular democratic Provincial and Presidential Elections.
You might want to explain why there is next to none coverage of the Plaasmoorde and the missing water.
A potential explanation is here: https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2...verage-herbst/

if you can stomach it here is an intro of a documentary on the Plaasmoorde:


Not that our press here is much (if any) better as they ignore it as well. After all we are only talking about people that share our history and speak the same language.
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You might want to explain why there is next to none coverage of the Plaasmoorde and the missing water.
A potential explanation is here: https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2...verage-herbst/

if you can stomach it here is an intro of a documentary on the Plaasmoorde:


Not that our press here is much (if any) better as they ignore it as well. After all we are only talking about people that share our history and speak the same language.
Hey there Willempie ,

To be honest I was hoping to avoid this question because it is an extremely "hot button" topic which could lead this thread in the complete wrong direction.

But just as a brief answer, While South Africa is doing a little better than most "African" countries, it still has many problems, amongst which is an extreme high crime and murder rate.

So let us look at this statistically based on the 2016/17 South African crime states:

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In 2016/17, the police recorded a total of 19,016 murders, up from 18,673 murders in 2015/16. The murder rate increased marginally from 34 to 34.1 per 100,000 people. The Eastern Cape province had the highest murder rate at 55.9 per 100,000 people.
In 2016/17, an average of 52.1 people were murdered every day.

Source: https://africacheck.org/factsheets/s...istics-201617/
Now lets look at the "farm murders" statistics:

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The AfriForum Research Institute collected and assessed statistics for 2016/17, recording 357 attacks and 74 murders between 1 April 2016 and 31 March 2017. The police’s 2016/17 statistics on farm attacks differ (638) but their tally of farm murders was the same.


Source: https://africacheck.org/factsheets/f...ks-murders-sa/
This means that of the 19 016 murders recorded between 2016 to 2017, only 74 are actually "farm murders". Now also keep in mind that farms generally make for ideal targets for criminals because they are isolated and it is very hard for people on farms to call for rapid help due to their location.

Now with these objective and realistic stat's, which I have provided to you, in mind does it seem like there is any kind of "targeted killings" going on, or does it simply seem like there is a general crime and murder problem?
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Thanks for that explanation, The Cell. Good post.

My idea from far away, and even if there is still an important Portuguese community in South Africa that transmits some information, is that the transition from the Apartheid regime to the current one went relatively well in social terms. At the time there were many fears of generalized massacres of the “white” population. But than the expectations were high among the great majority of the population. And high expectations are rarely fully fulfilled. That difference of expectations and the difficulties inherent to the transition of the regime and laws led to a crescent rise of the criminality to a point that it is beginning to be difficult to control.
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It's sad to see that politicians in SA aren't afraid of using foul tactics to gather support. An example would be Julius Malema singing "Kill the Boer" at a party rally, hardly a positive role model for young South Africans. To me such actions are the same as what nazis did in Germany in the 30s - attacking a minority in order to gather support of the majority.

As for the farm murders, I doubt accurate numbers can be provided. The last government analysis on farm attack victims by race was in 2001 and a lot has changed from 2001. Many would also have reason to doubt the accuracy of any analysis conducted by the government. Whatever the numbers though, I don't doubt the farm attack victims were raped and murdered and mutilated (often not in this order) in hate.
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Hey there Willempie ,

To be honest I was hoping to avoid this question because it is an extremely "hot button" topic which could lead this thread in the complete wrong direction.

But just as a brief answer, While South Africa is doing a little better than most "African" countries, it still has many problems, amongst which is an extreme high crime and murder rate.

So let us look at this statistically based on the 2016/17 South African crime states:

Now lets look at the "farm murders" statistics:

This means that of the 19 016 murders recorded between 2016 to 2017, only 74 are actually "farm murders". Now also keep in mind that farms generally make for ideal targets for criminals because they are isolated and it is very hard for people on farms to call for rapid help due to their location.
What sets them apart from the "regular" murder is the deliberate targeting and the complete barbarism. If it were just simple crimes they would just shoot the people and take whatever they want, in stead they usually go on a torture spree. And as that "blood sister" says they now get called almost on a daily basis to clean up yet another scene.
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Now with these objective and realistic stat's, which I have provided to you, in mind does it seem like there is any kind of "targeted killings" going on, or does it simply seem like there is a general crime and murder problem?
One doesn't exclude the other. In particular when you take recent political developments in account (EFF theme song for example). Plus Zuma needs something to cover his corruption and failings in the water department.
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