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Old January 29th, 2011, 05:21 AM   #41

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The origins of the Crescent & Sun/star are Turkic from ancient times, pre-Islamic. The Turks believed in Shamanisim and more importantly the one supreme Sky God (Tanri) along side others gods like that of the Moon & Sun, when they roamed nomadicaly on horseback in the steppes of Siberia & central Asia.

The importance of the celestial bodies can be seen in many Turk epics, poems, songs, names etc.

One quick example is that of the legendary leader of the Western Turks, Oguz Khan, named his first 3 born Sun, Moon, & Star emphasizing the importance of the celestial objects to Turks.
*The founder of the Ottoman Turkish empire, Osman, had a dream in which he invisioned a Crescent Moon stretching over the Earth, he took it as a good sign and made it the symbol of his dynasty.

The crescent and star, while generally regarded as Islamic symbols today, have long been used in Asia Minor and by the ancient Turks, earlier than the advent of Islam. According to archaeological excavations, Göktürks used the crescent and star figure on their coins. The 1500-year-old coin includes three crescent moon figures and a star near a person. The crescent and moon was a Turkic symbol long before the Turks came in contact with the Eastern Roman Empire.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 01:58 AM   #42

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More crescent moon from central Asia;



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This coin is found in Kırgızistan.

And this is from rocks of North west China;

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But crescend moon is not only found in Turkic areas,but also Sogdian,Bactrian,Mezopotamian,Elamit etc. coins and drawings.

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Old January 30th, 2011, 02:18 AM   #43

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Crescent and moon was also symbol of Constantinia. where was captured by Mehmed II, and made the central city of the empire.
This is not true Efendi.A few years ago I used believe what you claimed in this thread,write and post something in a forum here assuming the roots of this figure are in Byzans;Forum Türkiye : Güzel Yaz? Muhabbet Korku Payla??m Forumlar?

But finally I realized that crescent and moon being a symbol of Constantinopolice was a rescent propaganda claim that has no accurasy.
İf you and any friends has any clue about this please post here,we are just looking for the truth.
We have thousands of Byzantium object from İstanbul in all around the world,Turkey,Britain,Germany,but not even a single clue about this sign being a symbol of Constantinopolice.

BTW I do believe that crescent and moon is a relic of polytheism,most of the gods and goddesses are symbolised as moon or crescent such as Sin,Hecate,İshtar etc.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 02:28 AM   #44

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It is also possible that Ottoman inherited the flag from Seljuks as well. Seljuks inherited the symbol from Galatians as well. After all Seljuks were military elites ruling a population mainly non-Turkic.

Check this:
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The link you gave as says this;

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The Flag of Galatia
A flag? In 56 B.C.? Of course, there was no such thing! I made it up. However, the very provocative thought of such a flag made me think about it , and I designed the one that you see below.
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Ivory knife handle from the Jebel el-Arak. 3200p.ch. At the edges of the poles of the groups fighting we see the familiar crescent.

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cuduru the circa 1200 BC. Here we see the great triad of Mesopotamia, Marduk (Sun), Sin and Ishtar.

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Hittites relief of 1000p.ch. The triune deity, sun. moon, star, have been consolidated on the symbol that we see.

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Mycenaean gold ring with the sun and the moon. National Archaeological Museum of Athens.

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6th century BC in Greek colony Metapontio in Southern Italy This symbol is found later coats.

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Currency of Rome of 215 such On the crescent moon is the sun and two eight-pointed stars.

[IMG]http://users.sch.gr/zskafid/moon/sekia.jpg[/IMG]
Currency of Sekia eg 104 in Spain. The Crescent contains five-pointed star.

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Currency of the sixth Mithridates King of Pontus 120-63 eg O Pegasus later replaced by deer.

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Under the sun in human form, the moon and Venus (star) is shown the victory or Cybele and priests. 2 nd century BC the church of St. Khanum in Bactria.

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Currency Byzantine Thrace first century BC

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Currency of 96 bc , An ncient greek typical picture of the Dioscuri with their horses, stars over their hats, and their sister Helen as a moon among them.

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The sacred Apis among the horns of a sun, later we have the moon or a star or two stars that symbolize the Dioskouroi. The Dioscuri (> Zeus Kouros), by Castor and Pollux, were children (twins) of Zeus and Leda and brothers of Helen. They were gods of light and personifying the Greeks of honesty, generosity, courage, kindness and virtue. They were patrons of boats and sailors. The Greeks worshiped and venerated as gods, often asking them support and help in difficult times.
They were the protectors and saviors of mortals.
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Currency Diva Faustina the wife of Marcus Aurelius (161-180 ad) in Roman empire. The crescent and star, surrounded by stars. The same occurs in Roman [=Byzantine] coin , as the shield of St. George , a picture of the 13th century.

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Coin of the Aquila Crescent 65p.ch. here surrounded by four stars. Has been whether the symbol of Byzantium was the crescent with four stars.

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Currency of Septimios j s Severus 193 AD Again the crescent with the four stars of our concern.

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Tetradrachm of the Kingdom of the Parthians Elymos 105-228 AD

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The Dioscuri with their heads star and crescent, symbolizing their sister Helen. Daktyliolithos the first AD century.

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Currency season Caracalla l a 198-217 AD Trainapoli in Thrace. Here is an inverted crescent.

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Currency of Sassanid persian Chosroes the second 599-628 AD .
The monarch is represented as a demigod, as evidenced by the crown, symbolic of the god worshiped by the soldiers of Verethragka sun and the moon.

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Currency of emperor Alexios Comnenos i, in Roman empire [Byzantine] 1081-1118. To this specific, the cross has taken the position of the crescent.

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age of emperor Alexios Comnenos i, crescent with cross and stars around

( another one later, s a 8th star at the ceneterwith four crescents and four 8th stars inside them in 1447)
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there also more coins and illustrations .

now specially for the area of the east meditteranea ad.
as roman empire used it alot to currencies as also as symbol of the new capital of Constantinople (using the old greek symbol of the town that named in older days Byzantium), so many countries around which captured roman empire's areas used also that symbol.
as aslo is copied and used in heraldic modes from crussaders who also looted roman [=byzantine empire] and captured for some years Constantinople.
the seljucks have named their captured Roman area as Rum[=Roman] and used similar emperial roman symbols and coins, and later the ottomans, and special Mehmed ii when captured Constantinople, did the same, as he choose to be presened as as a successor of the roman emperors (also some of greeks call him) as also tried to invade to Rome/italy under his 'emperial' plants .
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roman soldiers from laconia south greece 13th century
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crescent and star 8th

roman soldiers from laconia south greece 14th century
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circle, crescent and star 8th

roman soldiers from laconia south greece , about 1430 ad
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to the shield of the first rider there is crescent with four 8th stars around it

Roman soldier with crescent insignia 1448ad
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Roman [= Byzantine] flag symbol upper at 1445 , and emperor Ioanis Paleologos (ruling 1425-1448) to the down side.
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I read that mohamads pagan tribe worshiped the moon god?
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I read that mohamads pagan tribe worshiped the moon god?
Mohammed is known to be a monoteist prophet. Not a pagan.
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It is very strange feeling to see a Turkish flag behind this guy.
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Old January 25th, 2012, 09:08 AM   #50

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ANAX,

Thanks for your contrubutions, these are very interesting indeed. History is sometime veird issue.
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