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Old April 5th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #1

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Kurdish people related with ancient Karduchi


Amongst other dangers the greek mercenary army of the "ten thousands" during the "katabasis" from Mesopotamia to Trapezous city (modern day Tranzpor sorry for the spelling) encountered those warriors called "karduchi" who attacked the greeks using effective hit n run tactics

Their name and the their homeland remind me of modern day kurds

are they related or not?

some reading is here later on is the rest...from kyrou anabasis of greek writer and mercenary captain xenophon

the land of the karduchi lies south of armenia according to xenophon...

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There are similarity between Karduchi, the land is also land of Zaza, Syriach, and many other ethnicity.

Karduchi can be the Kurds.
I coulnt read the text.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 08:31 AM   #3

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Amongst other dangers the greek mercenary army of the "ten thousands" during the "katabasis" from Mesopotamia to Trapezous city (modern day Tranzpor sorry for the spelling) encountered those warriors called "karduchi" who attacked the greeks using effective hit n run tactics

Their name and the their homeland remind me of modern day kurds

are they related or not?

some reading is here later on is the rest...from kyrou anabasis of greek writer and mercenary captain xenophon

the land of the karduchi lies south of armenia according to xenophon...

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Unlikely as the kurdish clans were located to the east of the city you talk about.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 05:28 AM   #4

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Xenophon, Anabasis, Book 3, chapter 5, section 16

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Unlikely as the kurdish clans were located to the east of the city you talk about
Judging from the map the land of the "kardouchi" should be somewhere in between the modern turkish-iraq borderline. Wasn't it inhabited by kurdish-related tribes back then in 400BC?

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According to the text it's a mountainary area inhabited by people disloyal to the achaimenid throne. The greek mercenaries fought their way through for 7 days. It can't be the land of zaza or the syriach

I tried to search the etymology of the word "karduchi". In greek the ending -ouchos means the one who owns something. In languages native in the region it seems that gard or kord means something like warlike
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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #5

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Xenophon, Anabasis, Book 3, chapter 5, section 16

Judging from the map the land of the "kardouchi" should be somewhere in between the modern turkish-iraq borderline. Wasn't it inhabited by kurdish-related tribes back then in 400BC?
If it is indeed the Turkish Irak border than it might be kurdish clans.But if it is near Trabzon as the OP said than it is unlikely.
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It can also be caucassion tribes.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 07:55 AM   #7

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If it is indeed the Turkish Irak border than it might be kurdish clans.But if it is near Trabzon as the OP said than it is unlikely.
never said that "kardasi" The "Karduchian mountains" were nowhere near karadeniz (black sea)
I said that the greek mercenaries were on the way to trabzon, back from mesopotamia (see map) when they faced that tribe. According to the text that region should lie just south of the armenian homeland

Is there any other real kurdish presence redorded in the region dating back 2500 years ago? Didnt know those guys were that old
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It can also be caucassion tribes.
that south?
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Old June 18th, 2011, 01:23 AM   #9
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Hello I am new on this Forum. The Karduchois are known to be the ancestors of Kurds according to Strabos textes they also lived in Adiabene in North Iraq and between Amedi (Diyarbakir)- Mus. Among the Karduchois mainly Gutian, Scythian, Cimmerian, Hurrian and Median tribes existed. The Name of the Karduchois also sometimes called Gordi, Gordiene were the Gutians however the language giving tribes of Karduchis were the Scythians, Medes and Cimmerians.

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There are similarity between Karduchi, the land is also land of Zaza, Syriach, and many other ethnicity.

Karduchi can be the Kurds.
I coulnt read the text.
many other ethnicitis? ZAZA? Do some of you Turks have no other Hobbies than running all through the Net and making Propaganda with their impaired knowledge of History and Geography?

between I am a Zaza from Diyarbakir.
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