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View Poll Results: Is the middle east cursed?
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Old April 15th, 2011, 01:54 AM   #101

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YouTube - Racism in Multicultural Britain - Part 1




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I condemn racism in all its forms, but its on both sides my friend..
Friendly snowball fight turns into racial attack - Herald Scotland

i stay in the area and my daughter has been subject to multiple racist attacks, at 1 point she was chased through the area by a gang of young men wielding sticks, certain streets are no go areas to whites also.

Hope u get the point.

and btw attacks on whites is seldom reported.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 02:08 AM   #102

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I can write one for you, like I said I know middle eastern escapism (school, media, social gatherings, ...etc) , be it Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Palestinian, ..etc they say: we are different groups of people living in harmony in each of our societies, no divisions, no discrimination.

But of course, that is not the reality, the internet is a great tool to reach consensus on History, the one line of thought unquestioned and unchallenged is antiquated, people need to learn to live with that reality.

Forced monoliths is no more.
Middle East is zone with have majority of Arabs in Arab nations (only Kurds are in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey),Middle East problem is mainly because of religious difference not race difference (yet still has racial clashes for example between Kurds and Arabs but please don’t count for example Christian from other race they are Arab Christian so religion is not race), now Egypt has huge percentage of Christians or Shiite and Sunnite in every Arab nation, Iran is home to many ethnic groups which except Arabs and Turks are from indo-European root, and we got Sunnite and Shiite here too, the point is people in Iran don’t accuse themselves because if their race (we have different root and culture form other middle eastern countries and we have a total difference in our population roots from other countries in region) now I repeat my point people (see people) don’t accuse other ethnics for their root and background(please read some history, this country ruled by Persians, Arabs, Turks, Kurds(median) and others, but officials here accuse all of us because of what we want but people are not united by force people are united because we are people living here for thousands of years (again Turks don’t feel difference to Baluchs or Persian they fell Iranian nationality but Turk or Kurd in root and nothing change this fact if you repeated thousands of times so people don’t have problem with themselves but officials have problem with all of us. (Just hope you get the point that ordinary people like a Turk engineer doesn’t curse or fight with a Persian accountant, was it simple enough, but minster of someplace have problem with both of them.


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Old April 15th, 2011, 02:11 AM   #103

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I condemn racism in all its forms, but its on both sides my friend..
Friendly snowball fight turns into racial attack - Herald Scotland

i stay in the area and my daughter has been subject to multiple racist attacks, at 1 point she was chased through the area by a gang of young men wielding sticks, certain streets are no go areas to whites also.

Hope u get the point.

and btw attacks on whites is seldom reported.
I'm not rejecting that even if I said people don't have problem still there is some persons do this nasty act (but not refer to whole), in fact that is I'm trying to say (double standards) is our biggest mistake, when I try to show this point my act was called escapism by Iraq Bruin.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 07:56 AM   #104

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Cursed? I would call it blessed.Cradle of civilizition.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:13 AM   #105
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Middle East is zone with have majority of Arabs in Arab nations (only Kurds are in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey),Middle East problem is mainly because of religious difference not race difference (yet still has racial clashes for example between Kurds and Arabs but please don’t count for example Christian from other race they are Arab Christian so religion is not race), now Egypt has huge percentage of Christians or Shiite and Sunnite in every Arab nation, Iran is home to many ethnic groups which except Arabs and Turks are from indo-European root, and we got Sunnite and Shiite here too, the point is people in Iran don’t accuse themselves because if their race (we have different root and culture form other middle eastern countries and we have a total difference in our population roots from other countries in region) now I repeat my point people (see people) don’t accuse other ethnics for their root and background(please read some history, this country ruled by Persians, Arabs, Turks, Kurds(median) and others, but officials here accuse all of us because of what we want but people are not united by force people are united because we are people living here for thousands of years (again Turks don’t feel difference to Baluchs or Persian they fell Iranian nationality but Turk or Kurd in root and nothing change this fact if you repeated thousands of times so people don’t have problem with themselves but officials have problem with all of us. (Just hope you get the point that ordinary people like a Turk engineer doesn’t curse or fight with a Persian accountant, was it simple enough, but minster of someplace have problem with both of them.


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I'm going to take issue with part of this. Not all Arab Christians view themselves as purely Arabs. Many Lebanese Christians like to trace their lineage to the Crusader states and the Phoenicians (hence Lebanon's constant hesitance throughout the 20th century to be closer to the Arab countries to the dismay of Nasser). Also, the Copts in Egypt are not Arabs, they're Copts, most of whom speak Arabic out of necessity.

For all intents and purposes I do consider myself an Arab. Both of my parents speak Arabic and come from countries where Arabic is the official language (Lebanon and Syria). However it should be understood that until relatively recently (a few hundred years or so?) "Arab" meant something very specific (i.e. that your ancestors came from the Arabian peninsula) my ancestors in that case would not have considered themselves Arabs, they would have considered themselves Syriacs (on my father's side) and Phoenician/Levantine type people (on my mother's side). In modern times these distinctions have become pretty much useless and so now, many people (myself included) just call themselves Arab.
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I'm going to take issue with part of this. Not all Arab Christians view themselves as purely Arabs. Many Lebanese Christians like to trace their lineage to the Crusader states and the Phoenicians (hence Lebanon's constant hesitance throughout the 20th century to be closer to the Arab countries to the dismay of Nasser). Also, the Copts in Egypt are not Arabs, they're Copts, most of whom speak Arabic out of necessity.

For all intents and purposes I do consider myself an Arab. Both of my parents speak Arabic and come from countries where Arabic is the official language (Lebanon and Syria). However it should be understood that until relatively recently (a few hundred years or so?) "Arab" meant something very specific (i.e. that your ancestors came from the Arabian peninsula) my ancestors in that case would not have considered themselves Arabs, they would have considered themselves Syriacs (on my father's side) and Phoenician/Levantine type people (on my mother's side). In modern times these distinctions have become pretty much useless and so now, many people (myself included) just call themselves Arab.
Good post mate, I said majority not all but I knew about Lebanon, I was in Lebanon 3 yeas ago and people spoke french to each other in some places and I can hear them that talking about their religion and race, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt were under Britain and France control in recent centuries and they were colonized as well also this is natural that you can find Multi-Racial and mixed people in those countries (specially Lebanon and Syria) from European roots., What I meant was by political aspect of Arab spreading in middle East and north Africa (
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If there is a curse in Mideast, likewise there is curse nearlly all around the world, most notably bloody past of Europea.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #108

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It is call online excuse which you use.
nah, it is still online etiquette
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Iranian view means view by an Iranian(forget to use an) (as you are a middle eastern to view you middle eastern view, but my points yet stands and maybe you need to read them several times to get it completely
No, need, I have seen that before and moved on

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I was not defending my country , that is just something you made up, I mentioned historical things describing your leaders as psychos as well, I could not care less to defend that bastard butcher.

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Maybe you don’t remember who attacks first to our capital by Migs and improved Egyptian scud missiles, maybe you don’t remember there are still people dying in hospital because of cancer and new children born with paralyzed siltation (chemicals). (Or maybe its Kuwait fault too which been attacked?!!)
oh yes, I do remember, but how does that change the fact that random missiles fell on civilians, sure that psycho killed your civilians then he is criminal, if your psychos killed our civilians, they are criminals too.
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I'm going to take issue with part of this. Not all Arab Christians view themselves as purely Arabs. Many Lebanese Christians like to trace their lineage to the Crusader states and the Phoenicians (hence Lebanon's constant hesitance throughout the 20th century to be closer to the Arab countries to the dismay of Nasser). Also, the Copts in Egypt are not Arabs, they're Copts, most of whom speak Arabic out of necessity..
Interesting that they feel that way, The Chehabis are originally Arab Muslims who converted to Christianity, then in order to consolidate their power, they invited Chrisitians from outside into Lebanon, I wonder what those groups consider themselves now.

In addition to the Kurds, Turcomons, Assyrians and other smaller groups, many in Iraq can trace their roots to the country before the Quraishi Islamic conquests.
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No, need, I have seen that before and moved on

I was not defending my country , that is just something you made up, I mentioned historical things describing your leaders as psychos as well, I could not care less to defend that bastard butcher.

oh yes, I do remember, but how does that change the fact that random missiles fell on civilians, sure that psycho killed your civilians then he is criminal, if your psychos killed our civilians, they are criminals too.
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