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Old August 13th, 2011, 07:56 AM   #1

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1987 Mecca Massacre


July 31, 1987 : Iranian pilgrims in Mecca and Saudi Arabian security forces clashed with each other.
Originally to have been a demonstration against the West for its support of Iraq during the 8 Year Iran-Iraq War, Saudi forces cordoned off the planned path of the demonstration, which led to a confrontation between the opposing sides.

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The demonstration before it was cordoned off and attacked.


Chaos ensued.

It was believed to have been started when Saudi bystanders attacked a flank of the march. A violent brawl emerged and Saudi forces opened fire.

402 people lay dead at the end of the march, with 649 injured.
The dead included 275 Iranians, 85 Saudis and 42 other pilgrims.

Till this day, details remain unknown. Iranian officials maintain that the Saudis had opened fire on the Iranian pilgrims without provocation (and for sectarian reasons).
Saudi officials claim they did not open fire.

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An outrage erupted in the Islamic world. The following day, marches were held in Tehran that attacked the Saudi and Kuwaiti embassies, with Ayatollah Khomeini calling for the toppling of the House of Saud and revenge for the dead.

Saudis later claimed that the Iranian pilgrims had knives, machetes and bottles under their sheaths to combat the police, though no evidence was provided. Iran later announced that Bullet wounds were found on the bodies of the dead pilgrims.

This had led to a breaking point in Shia and Sunni relations in the region.

The memorial of the dead Pilgrims in Iran.
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A really sad incident altogether.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 09:03 AM   #3

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Sad incident, but really what was the point and need of such demonstrations in the one city where theres supposed to be no bloodshed. You come to do hajj/umrah, stick to that and keep your political affiliations and demands in your own country or if you have to then other cities in Saudi. Meccas holiness should not be tarnished by modern day politics. It is the one place where muslims gather in total peace and unity.
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You go all the way to a strict country to protest?

Yeah, the West will respond to demonstrators in Mecca... Please. Plus, don't tell me that Iraq fought with Western weapons when Iran fought with homemade Saffavid muskets.
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I agree, i mean im pretty anti-saudi and definitely very anti-wahabi, theres no question about that. But if countries start using Mecca for their own political purposes then i fully support the saudi authorities to stop such actions. Muslims from all around the world come to this place to gain spiritual peace, not to hear bloody protests again.
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You go all the way to a strict country to protest?

Yeah, the West will respond to demonstrators in Mecca... Please. Plus, don't tell me that Iraq fought with Western weapons when Iran fought with homemade Saffavid muskets.
Its a sanctuary, is it not?
I'm sorry, did you forget about the Western money and support Iraq got?
Or is that oblivious whenever you speak of things against Iran ?

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I agree, i mean im pretty anti-saudi and definitely very anti-wahabi, theres no question about that. But if countries start using Mecca for their own political purposes then i fully support the saudi authorities to stop such actions. Muslims from all around the world come to this place to gain spiritual peace, not to hear bloody protests again.
So you applaud the Saudis Opening fire on unarmed civilians ?
400 people dead! Why? They opened fire. They themselves made it a massacre

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Its a sanctuary, is it not?
I'm sorry, did you forget about the Western money and support Iraq got?
Or is that oblivious whenever you speak of things against Iran ?
I'm so sorry, did you forget that Iraq was Western-friendly and secular while Iran was turning into a theocratic hell-hole? So, who should the West support? It doesn't take brains to justify it, really.
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I'm so sorry, did you forget that Iraq was Western-friendly and secular while Iran was turning into a theocratic hell-hole? So, who should the West support? It doesn't take brains to justify it, really.
Ironic what happened in the next few years.
Yeah, it's completely understandable that the West completely overlooks the gas attacks and massacres (crimes against humanity... Violations of the Geneva convention...etc.).
It didn't mean Iraq was a good country, it was a dictatorship.

And at the time, majority supported the theocracy in iran.
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So you applaud the Saudis Opening fire on unarmed civilians ?
400 people dead! Why? They opened fire. They themselves made it a massacre

Oh no defintely not, though is that the case (bullets fired)? From what i know there was a stampede in which people including non iranian bystanders were killed. However i support prohibiting any political misuse (rallies/protests) by one country of this holy sanctuary.
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Ironic what happened in the next few years.
Yeah, it's completely understandable that the West completely overlooks the gas attacks and massacres (crimes against humanity... Violations of the Geneva convention...etc.).
It didn't mean Iraq was a good country, it was a dictatorship.

And at the time, majority supported the theocracy in iran.
Saddam invaded Kuwait that's what happened.

They didn't overlook it. It's why Saddam was hanged.

Dictatorship? And Iran wasn't? You have to be kidding me. Go live in Iran if you love its government so much and become the supreme leader of the Basij.

What majority? lol Pakistan? Really?
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