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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:27 AM   #291

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One should differentiate Islamic culture and Islamic faith.

You may not like Islamic art, you can be a muslim at the same time.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:25 AM   #292
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I stand for every comment i have made above.I am muslim,i attend friday prayers,i fast during ramadan and i want to go to Hadj if i collect money.However im not religious fanatic.Ok,i use alcohol,i support praying in own language since Allah/Tanrı knows all languages and im against women to wear hijab/headscarf,dressing like ninjas in black but thats another thing.Besides,undesired effects of Islamic culture over Turkish people is a fact.

A muslim can be nationalist and he/she do not have to support Caliphate or any Islamic union.I prefer to live in an union with my own kin.Whats unnatural here?Just because they believe in another religion i dont exclude other Turanians.
The idea of pan turanism is artificial. It was invented in the 19th century, and turan is originally a persian word and originally referred to Iranic, not turkic, steppe peoples.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 05:47 AM   #293

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The idea of pan turanism is artificial. It was invented in the 19th century, and turan is originally a persian word and originally referred to Iranic, not turkic, steppe peoples.
Arent all the ..-ism artificial?
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The idea of pan turanism is artificial. It was invented in the 19th century, and turan is originally a persian word and originally referred to Iranic, not turkic, steppe peoples.
Since all nations are invented in 19th century it is natural.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 09:07 AM   #295

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The idea of pan turanism is artificial. It was invented in the 19th century, and turan is originally a persian word and originally referred to Iranic, not turkic, steppe peoples.
Pan-Turanism is as aritificial as Mohammedanism.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #296

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However, in movies, Arabs are portrayed as lustful, wealthy, impolite and weird-speaking people. The only positive Arab image in Turkish cinema is an Arab woman called 'Arap bacı > Arab Sister' as a sympathetic, funny-speaking fat woman. She is generally a nanny or a maid in a big mansion and is close friends with the household, though she is depicted very dark, almost as an African.

This anecdote should be checked out again. They, black nannies were last evidences of presence of slavery in Turkish lands. They were belong to royal palace and high-level bureaucrat residence. They were generally single. Caus, black people were in duty of stewardship and for them it was not easy to get marry. And they got older, they were living in their masters residences. But After the collapse of Empire and end of slavery(in pratice), they were out of job and house. They started to live in their close and familier friends or contacts houses. They started to be seen in public. They grew up their children. And those films generally were shot in this time. I mean, to show them very dark and African is not way of insulting or else, to underline an important and interesting figures that were about to go out of sight by time. I think, researchers could not have correlated with this historical fact.
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Arap bacı lol

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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #298

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I stand for every comment i have made above.I am muslim,i attend friday prayers,i fast during ramadan and i want to go to Hadj if i collect money.However im not religious fanatic.Ok,i use alcohol,i support praying in own language since Allah/Tanrı knows all languages and im against women to wear hijab/headscarf,dressing like ninjas in black but thats another thing.Besides,undesired effects of Islamic culture over Turkish people is a fact.

A muslim can be nationalist and he/she do not have to support Caliphate or any Islamic union.I prefer to live in an union with my own kin.Whats unnatural here?Just because they believe in another religion i dont exclude other Turanians.
There are things that you may need to re-consider....

Islam doesn't ask you to change your culture or denounce it.....as a result ofcourse, you don't have to denounce others....

If Islam's main duties (Prayer and reading of the Quran) is in another language, that doesn't mean that its a denouncement of other languages....you may still interpret and have books explaining Quran in any language for a better understanding....Nor does this is intended to glorify a single race upon others.....

An Islamic code (Ninjas like you said ) is a choice people make just like yours, that doesn't mean they're backward or necessarily not open-minded.
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Well if you live your life according to a more than thousand years old book then I would say you are pretty close minded.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #300

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Well if you live your life according to a more than thousand years old book then I would say you are pretty close minded.
Well, Secularism and other ideologies (which you perceive as the most modern) aren't new either !!

And that thousand years book doesn't preclude you to interpret/adopt and learn....I can't see how this is close-minded....! Its actually you Farinal whos close-minded about it....
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