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Old September 9th, 2011, 01:03 PM   #1
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The Zulu War Tribe :)


My interest with the Zulu Tribe is not new. These people i believe are one of the most interesting throughout the world. From their dressing, Their dance and their language everything captivates me. Their pride in their warriors and their determination to move on through times of pain and destruction is amazing. Their war dressing captivates me and is very fashionable and their choruses are very beautiful. Their history as well is very interesting and special to me. Don't get me wrong i am not a Zulu but An Ejagham man but the Zulu are a tribe I cant get enough of.During the 19 century the Zulu kingdom came into being under the famous warrior Shaka Zulu just around this time The British had begun to settle in the area and many wars were fought between the uneasy neighbors in the first battle the Zulu were able to defeat the British but The war was won by the British who took control of the area. Anyway today the Zulu are still together with a strong history and strong culture (like most of Africa). Their population is over 10,000,000 individuals and with practices they've practiced for centuries.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8rsEodZ8tc]Zulu Traditional Music - The Sikulu Company South Africa - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBs1W5Zbk8Y&feature=related]Zulu music - YouTube[/ame]

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQtRKqnuqvc]Pretty Zulu Girls show their Wedding Dance. - YouTube[/ame]
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My interest with the Zulu Tribe is not new. These people i believe are one of the most interesting throughout the world. From their dressing, Their dance and their language everything captivates me. Their pride in their warriors and their determination to move on through times of pain and destruction is amazing.
Thanks for sharing Etamaze, Zulu history is fascinating no doubt. A Congolese friend of mine (Bakongo) was thinking of what topic she should pick for a history project and plumped for Shaka's building up and organisation of the army (though I suppose it's arguable whether Dingiswayo deserves more credit for this). It struck me as curious at first given the rich and controversial history of the Congo but then I guessed it was just the simple fact that up until Cethswayo's time the Zulu were the most powerful indigenous force impeding British and Boer expansion (standing army of 20,000 warriors) and so they represented a virility and potency of which all Africans feel entitled to share and be proud of in some sense - no surprise then she steered clear of Congolese history.
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I think Shaka Zulu is incredably overrated, he only achieved power because he chose to attack his oppenants rather than using the traditional method of settling a dispute between Zulus (a dance off) The off said claim that he was "the Black Napolean" is incorrect he had no strategic abilities, he just chose to attack his enemies rather than just dance at them.
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well either way lawnmower man they were able to defeat the British once and The Zulu aren't the only African tribe to accomplish that in order to protect their sacred Golden stool The Ashanti were also able to be victorious over the British at times. One could say the reason The British won was due to superior weaponry even tribes cut out from military technologies sometimes were able to defeat them.
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Of course the British won due to their technological superiority how else do you expect an army of 2,000 to truimph over 50,000.

Anyway I was not discussing the Zulu wars rather the rise to power of Shaka Zulu, who i believeto be one of the most overrated people in history, actually attacking your enemies instead of just dancing at them does not make you a brilliant tactition.

Shaka never fought the British so we don't know how he'd go against them.

The loss at Isandwala should be blamed more on the leadership of Chelmsford then any Zulu masterstroke, Rorkes Drift shows what happens when the Zulus are confronted with a semi capable commander. (neither Chard or Bromhead were particulary gifted in my opinion, they simply folllowed common sense and emerged victorious)
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well either way lawnmower man they were able to defeat the British once and The Zulu aren't the only African tribe to accomplish that in order to protect their sacred Golden stool The Ashanti were also able to be victorious over the British at times. One could say the reason The British won was due to superior weaponry even tribes cut out from military technologies sometimes were able to defeat them.

What price Rorke's Drift?
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which means the Zulu were superior in that case. Also the British under estimate their African opponents like they did with the Ashanti just because a people fight without guns doesn't mean that they aren't good at doing it.
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which means the Zulu were superior in that case. Also the British under estimate their African opponents like they did with the Ashanti just because a people fight without guns doesn't mean that they aren't good at doing it.

At least 25% of the Zulu army were armed with rifles ,although their quality varied, the Zulu were excellent light infantry.

Chelmsfords fear was that the Zulu would not meet him in open battle but wage a guerrilla war, he was badly mistaken.

The British Commanders (not actually the regimental officers who seem to have had a healthy respect for the Zulu in regiments such as the 24th) was that they were over confident.

However ,and especially after Isandlwana, this was also a fault of the Zulu and resulted in some major defeats such as Rorkes Drift and more importantly Khambula.

The Zulu were also a very agressive tribe who were not at peace with their African neighbours.
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thank you for making in clear Kevin.
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Why is Shaka, the famous nineteenth-century ruler, called a king of the Zulu "tribe" when he was actually the king of a centralized and militarily powerful state?
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