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November 15th, 2011, 01:50 AM
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#11 | | Historian
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...... wrong thread, sorry  | |
Last edited by Iraq Bruin; November 15th, 2011 at 01:59 AM.
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November 15th, 2011, 02:01 AM
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#12 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 537 |
Edited as per above.
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November 15th, 2011, 02:22 AM
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#13 | | What we have, we hold
Joined: Mar 2011 From: 6th Century Constantinople Posts: 3,334 |
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Originally Posted by Qutuz  Sadly it seems many of the West's incursions into the Muslim world have also been accompanied by a lot of pilfering of archaeological artifacts. Iraq & Libya have both suffered severely from this recently. | The Iraqi artefacts were stolen by Iraqis, and some of them were recovered with the help of the USA. Three years ago, Syria returned over 700 pieces they intercepted at the border.
As for thefts in Libya, how can you blame the West for this? We don't even have any troops over there!
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November 15th, 2011, 02:27 AM
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#14 | | Historian
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Originally Posted by Sankari | Egypt returns stolen artifact to Iraq : http://www.heritagewatchinternationa...t-to-iraq.html Quote: |
Associated Press (11 January 2009): Egypt’s Antiquities Chief, Zahi Hawass recently unveiled a ten-inch bronze statue believed to be an ancient Mesopotamian fertility goddess looted from Iraq. Hawass stated that an Egyptian man working in Jordan was caught trying to smuggle the statue into Egypt through Nuweiba port. Hawass has stated his office has been tracking looted Iraqi artifacts since the Invasion of Iraq in 2003 and has recovered around 5,000 items. An advocate for the return of Egyptian artifacts, Hawass refuses to deal with any museum that also deals in stolen Iraqi antiquities.
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Originally Posted by Sankari As for thefts in Libya, how can you blame the West for this? We don't even have any troops over there! | Don't forget about Egypt: About '1,000 Relics' Stolen During Egypt Uprising : Discovery News | |
Last edited by Iraq Bruin; November 15th, 2011 at 02:33 AM.
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November 15th, 2011, 02:35 AM
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#15 | | What we have, we hold
Joined: Mar 2011 From: 6th Century Constantinople Posts: 3,334 |
^^ Good points. | | | |
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November 15th, 2011, 10:10 AM
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#16 | | Suspended indefinitely
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Originally Posted by Sankari | "By June, customs inspectors and other authorities in the United States had seized over six hundred of the museum's artifacts." Quote:
Originally Posted by Sankari As for thefts in Libya, how can you blame the West for this? We don't even have any troops over there! | It's well known there were intelligence agents there. Besides, a lot of it is done probably through the cover of international bodies, probably aide agencies and the like. Not necessarily by regular soldiers. In Iraq though, yes regular soldiers did loot, and take "souvenirs".
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November 15th, 2011, 01:27 PM
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#17 | | Cutting your grass
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 5,695 |
The amount of artifacts stolen by US Forces pales in comparison when compared to the amount stolen by its own people.
In the wiki artical the figure given is just for items entering the US their is no indication that they came from US soldiers, they may just as easily have come from Iraqi's seeking to sell them on the US market.
The wiki artical also states that 400 items were intecepted in one vehicle heading for the Iranian border, that was hardly likleyto have anything to do with an international organisation at all.
This topic deserves its own thread, if you would care to start one.
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November 15th, 2011, 01:51 PM
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#18 | | Citizen
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 40 |
Let him go, he's on a roll..  | | | |
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November 15th, 2011, 02:57 PM
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#19 | | Historian
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,960 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Salah Moshe Dayan, with his distinctive patch-eye, is one of the most colorful and readily identifiable figures in the history of modern Israel. I'm not particularly well-informed on the man as of yet, but his autobiography (Story of My Life) has been sitting on my shelf collecting dust for a yeat - it may receive some attention shortly.
What are your thoughts on this man, and his accomplishments? Has anyone read his autobiography? |
Last night I was watching a French documentary about a fantastic dig in Gaza. (a 5th century monastery,with stunning mosaics)
Mentioned was how Moshe Dyan had 'accumulated' the world's best collection of terracotta sarchophagi from Gaza during the Six Day War. That does not seem very honourable,if true.
Apart from that,I know little about the man.In his prime he reminded me physically,of THE best soldier I ever met; Major Felix Fazekis MC, First Battalion Royal Australian Regiment (my unit).
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November 15th, 2011, 03:29 PM
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#20 | | What we have, we hold
Joined: Mar 2011 From: 6th Century Constantinople Posts: 3,334 |
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Originally Posted by Qutuz | Where's the evidence that Western soldiers were responsible for this? More likely to be Iraqis selling the stuff to Westerners. The average US soldier wouldn't know a valuable artefact from a worthless one. Quote: |
It's well known there were intelligence agents there. Besides, a lot of it is done probably through the cover of international bodies, probably aide agencies and the like. Not necessarily by regular soldiers.
| LOL, you're accusing aid agencies of stealing artefacts from museums? Seriously?  Quote: |
In Iraq though, yes regular soldiers did loot, and take "souvenirs".
| Evidence, please?
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