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Old August 7th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #11

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ermm... i dont agree to the peninsula idea. same can be easily done with the dardanelles:

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cut it through bulair ishtmus and you have yourself a peninsula.


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I suppose that we could also ask why not Nikomedia (Izmit) instead of Istanbul? While the harbours helped make Constantinople a trading hub, we have to remember that before Constantine built it as his tetrarchic capital Byzantium was not a very important city. Sure, it gave Philip II a hard time and Pescennius Niger held out there for quite a while against Septimius Severus' forces, but even with its fine natural harbour the city did not naturally develop into a major emporium in antiquity. The reason for its success must then lie in imperial patronage. Although it notably resisted Philip and Severus, it was Roman engineering that made the Byzantine city nigh-impregnable. The city lacked a good source of fresh water as the Lykos river tended to dry up every summer and wells had to go down very deep, so the Romans built a series of massive aquaeducts to provide for the city. Under Constantine it was endowed with many works of ancient art and lavish buildings. By the time of Justinian two centuries later the city already had an illustrious Roman history, an invented role in early Christian history, and sufficient imperial patronage to make it one of the most spectacular cities in the empire. That mystique and prestige remained part of the city's image for centuries, and combined with its continued role as an imperial capital until the early 20th c. made Constantinople/Istanbul/Constantiniyye important beyond its fairly good strategic location.

As for the Silk Road, Antioch was the major hub of the land route.
yes, i guess after all the strategy it was the lavishness and the fame it generated made istanbul the important city it has been throughout the ages.


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Well one thing for sure is that there are a lot of hills in Istanbul. It took 2 weeks for the blisters on my feet to recover after coming back from Istanbul in June.
Two painful walks were from Karaköy, up Galata to Istiklal Cadessi. Another one was the walk from Sultan Ahmet to Fatih.

Regarding water, i dont know if it was any more abundant in Istanbul than it was at Canakkale. The big aqueduct built by the Romans bringing water from the Belgrade Forest suggests water wasnt very abundant around Istanbul either.

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ok, i buy the 7 hills now and why do 7 hills make a city awesome again?
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Old October 25th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #12

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we dont even have a bridge over dardanelles it's that forsaken
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ok, i buy the 7 hills now and why do 7 hills make a city awesome again?
Because Rome had seven hills. Istanbul was the new Rome
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Because Rome had seven hills. Istanbul was the new Rome
too bad they didn't have bicycles back then otherwise they would have established a city of 7 plains
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I think that Istanbul is also slightly older than Canakkale, that might be worth something.
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cut it through bulair ishtmus and you have yourself a peninsula.
Yes , but cutting Bulair,you have to have enough population, for defend too much land, by land and by sea, Constantinople was like an island, but a small one in comparison with the Gallipoli peninsula.
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Also note that Istanbul would be easier to defend than Iznik and Çanakkale.
Pay attention to this map.
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You see a city with litle connection with land. You don't have to surround the city with walls. You can block Golden horn. Byzantines blocked It with gian chains. During siege they can get help from the sea.

If she was located in Çanakkale or Iznik, I suppose East Rome wouldn't survive to that long.

Additionally, the scienery is far more beautifull in Istanbul.
ιn fact to the left of the map to the land side, after the walls excisted a dike, full of water, which were quite broad and deep, it took place from the Marmara Sea until the Cercoporta, so Constantinople to be called even by the last Byzantine in 15th century that is almost island.

Constantinople was the perfect spot defense while being important starting point and the distance from the Asian coast less, which is important in transporting goods and troops.
The existence of hills used except geografical source diversity and beauty, as an Observatory for any fires and military and police purposes and for communication. The same also for Galata.
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There was also a system of visual notification for troop movements. *
During a siege could either procure fish from the Golden Horn, either farm products stored in the warehouse after the city had large sizes, either cultivating even in the city during the Byzantine period, while the supply of goods by sea through the divisions when conditions allow an additional option.
This does not mean that the area of Troy and Çanakkale/Dardanelles is not significant and does not offer strategic advantages.
It seems that for strategic military reasons , and specially for defense Constantinople/Instambul was a better choice, and a safer place.

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* The Byzantines had installed a series of beacons on mountain tops which ran from southern Asia Minor and came to beacon/lighthouse of royal palace of Constantinople.The message did less than one hour to reach from Lulo [ fortress in Taurus mountain] to Constantinople. This optical system was called "Oronomio" and it was the Byzantines Optical early warning system of the Byzantines to the Arabs.
Τhe system perfected by
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Leo has been credited with a system of beacons (an optical telegraph) stretching across Asia Minor from Tarsus to Constantinople, which gave advanced warning of Arab raids, as well as diplomatic communication. Leo also invented several automata, such as trees with moving birds, roaring lions, and a levitating imperial throne.The throne was in operation a century later, when Liutprand of Cremona witnessed it during his visit to Constantinople
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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:33 AM   #17

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maybe it's a good thing that canakkale did not become a large city like izmir, ankara, bursa and its nature is preserved
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"If the world was one country,then Istanbul would be its capital"
Napolion.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #19

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Istanbul is in a great location, but as perviously stated imperial patronage built the walls and the palaces and whatnot. Across the Mediterranean basin there were equally strategic locations ie, other places on the bosphorus, dardanelles, Heraclius even wanted to make the capital carthage at one point
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Old December 27th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #20

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I don't know but probably it is Efendi's reason.
I think Istanbul is the one of the best cities around the world.
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