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Old November 23rd, 2012, 12:02 PM   #21

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Here we go again. And don't you think that building colonies inside Arab territories is part of the problem? That bullying Arab farmers during their labour is part of the problem?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:13 PM   #22

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its stupid to think the main reason is religious, nobody in turkey judges someone for his/her religion and live together, it is pretty similar in other middle east countries.
heheh, this is not true there are some cities and neighborhoods that if you move in there they will judge the **** out of you. here is an example from topkapi district: https://vimeo.com/6321780
the residents* (non-humans) don't take kindly to male students who have girl guests. they don't even live together, they are just visiting!

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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:18 PM   #23
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And don't you think that building colonies inside Arab territories is part of the problem? That bullying Arab farmers during their labour is part of the problem?
If I may answer: No.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:40 PM   #24

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No?

Eight months after bloody olive harvest battle, still no justice in sight - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Double Take / For Palestinian olive growers, a bitter harvest - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

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Sorry but the existence of Israeli settlements is a menace to peace as important as any Muslim activity.
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Israeli settlements don´t play a role for the peace process. Israel builds them in reaction to the Arab unwill of having a two state solution. The Arabs said no to the UN partition plan in 1948. And they said no to two Israeli suggestions of a two state solution in the last years.
Israel removed its own citizens by brutal force to hand the Gaza strip over to Arabs. In response the Arabs voted for a one state solution party (Hamas, thus clearly showing what they think about dividing the land) and more than 10.000 missiles were fired on Israeli territory.

By the way, where is the problem with Jewish presence in the Westbank? Why do the Arabs insist on a "judenrein" state? Israel has 15-20% Arab citizens. Why that racist persistance to not have one single Jew on Arab territory?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:03 PM   #26

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Europe was like the Middle-East once, just as chaotic, except in another form and for other reasons. The World Wars changed all that. The sheer magnitude of the horror stunned the European nations into being more peaceful. Sooner or later, the same will happen in the Middle-East.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:55 PM   #27

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Europe was like the Middle-East once, just as chaotic, except in another form and for other reasons. The World Wars changed all that. The sheer magnitude of the horror stunned the European nations into being more peaceful. Sooner or later, the same will happen in the Middle-East.
I hope and pray you are correct, if not, I get the feeling we are all gonna pay soon enough.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:29 PM   #28

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LOL. Another day, another dollar, and another thread where muslims are being depicted as backward fanatics who want to blow things up. That's the whole range of your ''wisdom'' displayed here Belgarion? Not too convincing, not too convincing.

for starters, get rid of salafists, let multiple segments of society express their opinions, share the wealth, attract more economic opportunities and build up good school systems.
Your words, not mine.
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Europe was like the Middle-East once, just as chaotic, except in another form and for other reasons. The World Wars changed all that. The sheer magnitude of the horror stunned the European nations into being more peaceful. Sooner or later, the same will happen in the Middle-East.
Good point; besides, more often than not conflict has not been more prominent in the Middle East that in any other region of Earth along their History; in fact, Jewish & Muslims have had no particular problem against each other for centuries previous to WW1 (the Balfour Declaration), especially relative to their respective problems with Christians..

Ergo, the current problem is fundamentally not religion but nationalism; opposite to the state of Israel the other side are not just "Arabs" or "Muslims" (blanket sweeping generalizations on respectively ethnic & religious identities) but the Palestinian nation, predominantly but hardly exclusively Muslim.
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No, the animals would still fight each other. Sunna vs Shia. if all muslism left the area for the non-muslims, than i belive some tranquility will reach the middle east.

it's not going to come in the next 100 years or so, so don't hold your breath.

BTW people should know that middle-eastern is'nt just israel-arab, it's mostly shia-sunna, israel is just a tool by the dictators to divert the people from the oppression the people themselves face every day.
I am quite shocked ... someone calls a handful of people in this forum "animals" and gets away without being noticed.

I was not aware we could do that.
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