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Old December 2nd, 2012, 04:23 AM   #61

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Yeah but the East had the necessary setup for that.....the horses were of unique quality, the warriors had light armor...the mentality itself is not for a heavy equipment...
So correct Essa. Heavy equipment slows us down
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Except the Timariot was supposed to be armoured, as was his retainer, that's the whole point in them being a rather well paid force . The reason they are classed light cavalry is because of their operational role , Ottoman cavalry did not rely on breaking the enemy in massed charges like their european counterparts .
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Indeed. I might also add that overall, the Ottomans were strategically on the offensive so they could be defensive tactically, in the expansion period. They never attacked on the battlefield - they forced their enemies to do that, and die.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:50 AM   #64

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Every documentary that I've watched so far, I haven't seen a single Janissary wearing armor. Did they really fought unarmored? or their armor is underneath those fancy clothes?
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:50 AM   #65

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Every documentary that I've watched so far, I haven't seen a single Janissary wearing armor. Did they really fought unarmored? or their armor is underneath those fancy clothes?
They had gun, they were also well educated in close combat as a result of long education period from childhood.

Not to mention Ottoman war technology with their heavy cannons.

If you can survive to get close to them you have chance that your armour make some use. There are also Jannissaries with heavy armour.

Check my post:http://www.historum.com/war-military...0?postcount=96
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 09:32 AM   #66

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Yeah but the East had the necessary setup for that.....the horses were of unique quality, the warriors had light armor...the mentality itself is not for a heavy equipment...
There are light armoured military in west Europe where is called Frenkistan by the olds. They could hit an flee. May be they utilized this tactic but we dont know.

They didnt had chance to do this tactic against Ottomans.
In Battle of Nicopolis French were defeated with this tactic.

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...The French knights thus continued up the hill, though accounts state that more than half were on foot by this point, either because they had been unhorsed by the lines of sharpened stakes or had dismounted to pull up stakes. Struggling in their heavy armor, they reached the plateau on the top of the slope, where they had expected to find fleeing Turkish forces, but instead found themselves facing a fresh corps of sipahis, whom Bayezid had kept in reserve. As the sipahis surged forward in the counterattack sounding trumpets, banging kettle drums and yelling "God is great!", the desperation of their situation was readily apparent to the French and some knights broke and fled back down the slope. The rest fought on "no frothing boar nor enraged wolf more fiercely," in the words of one contemporary chronicler.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:38 PM   #67

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TheOttomans.org - Discover The Ottoman Army

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Old December 4th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #68

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1-the ones that specially trained their hands by slapping on a stone (deliler [the crazies]). they could break the enemy's neck with a slap. hence, the ottoman slap.
Interesting. First time I've heard of this kind of thing. The best I know is that one can slap someone hard enough to make him sway and fall. You sure about this?

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2-the ones that are total lunatics (başıbozuklar [not-right-in-the-head(s)]). hardly soldiers at all. they wore no uniforms. their primary goal was to break the enemy ranks (though most were killed during this). they were also given opium for insanity boosts. their motivation to fight was to pillage and rape.
Gold, rape, pillage and plunder. The common incentive for all ancient armies, weren't they?
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Interesting. First time I've heard of this kind of thing. The best I know is that one can slap someone hard enough to make him sway and fall. You sure about this?
it could be a myth but i also heard it from my history teacher when i was in highschool. my guess is that they slapped the cerebellum. if they can't break the neck a hard blow will still kill a man at the back of the head.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:44 AM   #70

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it could be a myth but i also heard it from my history teacher when i was in highschool. my guess is that they slapped the cerebellum. if they can't break the neck a hard blow will still kill a man at the back of the head.
Thanx a lot for increasing my awareness about History infestor. From the images on the Internet I can see that they did carry some weapons as well ~

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